@Al4

ARM is the only other option besides x86. It's my preferred option. UBoot is available for ARM systems for a while.

I imagine that there is a company out there that needs an OS, but is sick of Linux and the GPL (edit: or wants to EOL Symbian which is apparently a clusterfeck of neat hacks for the mobile devices of 12 years ago, that are now irrelevant), and wants to buy out a solid operating system which they can use as a base. It's been so many years I can easily believe that Hyperion has implemented (if never provided because of compatibility issues with old software) all the modern features of an operating system. One QT port, bye bye the entire desktop interface and backwards compatibility, and bam, new platform,.

My only issue here is ... AmigaOS4.x ... stable ... ?

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@Hattig

the ambitious project is announced. nokia handheld. i meant is it ARM?

@Swoop

Try to:
-play or encode HD Videos on your A1 (we are not talking about editing movies because working with various high quality video streams requires even more cpu power)
-play Quake3 mods at decent resolutions (something like 1280x1024 at least to suit common TFT monitors)
-make some high quality render with Blender
-use emulators like MAME (with modern games, please) or UAE (try to launch starstruk, lux aeterna or any other 060 demo)
-show 10MPixel images quickly (Most cheap digital cameras now use that resolutions)
-retouch those high-quality pictures applying various effects with your favourite gfx package
-print those images
-use heavy javascript webpages with your browser (no JIT on PPC, sorry)
-use any Amicygnix stuff.

Moreover, in the future, when Flash becomes available it will probably be really slow to be useful (official version isn't exactly fast on 1ghz x86 peecees with fast gfx cards), and if Java became available it would probably run too slow to run Eclipse with Tomcat. If Firefox would be ported a 800Mhz machine probably won't be exactly fast for it

Using a computer can involve something more than dragging windows and exchanging iconsets

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@Al4

So ambitious I haven't read a thing about it!

If it's a Nokia handheld it's either an N97 or a Maemo web tablet.

They're all ARM.

@Crumb

Eclipse runs okay on slowish CPUs, as long as you have the memory available, and of course, the decently sized desktop environment to make it comfortable.

It's usable on my 1.33GHz iBook, the screen is cramped though, and there are some delays.

@Hattig

I used Eclipse quite a lot on a fresh WinXP Pro install on a dual Pentium4@3Ghz with 2GB of ram with Tomcat, SVN plugin and little else and when the project grew up it started to slow down up to the point of being annoying.

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@Crumb

That might say something about Windows XP. I have that at work (dual 2GHz Core 2 Duo) and it can slow down sometimes, although I think it's Windows to be honest.

@Cool_amigaN

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I am in the happy position to officially confirm that OS4.x is being ported to a handheld device of a well know Scandinavian manufacturer. The press release will follow shortly after.

I'm the majority owner of Nokia.

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@Troels Quote:

IMHO it is not the OS that determines whether the HW is fast enough. Applications do and they show that the SAM board could have done with some more speed.

I think you kind of missed my point, which was that (in many ways) OS4 can be very nice to use compared to Windows, and so make it easy to put-up with small niggly things like OWB not being a fully-fledged browser (yet) or the h/w not being as fast as you'd like for certain apps.

No-one denies that the Sam440 couldn't be faster for certain tasks, but to hear all the complaints from people who don't own one, you'd think it gave a terrible experience - when actually it's really nice in general usage. (Someone who saw my Sam440 was surprised how fast & stable it was, after reading all the negative press badly informed people have given the Sam.)

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Watching DVD's have given some people problems (dunno if it's still an issue), OWB is rather slow, Amicygnix and UAE is not very fast either. IF any larger applications are ported they will probably also run slow.

I'm waiting for the next release of DvPlayer before judging DVD playback at 667MHz. I suspect that 733MHz+ should do DVD playback fine.

OWB is *not* slow. Maybe not blazingly fast, but it's a work-in-progress port (and used to be MUCH slower). I am often surprised how fast it actually is on Javascript-hungry sites. I only find it slow when trying to view one tab while another page loading - most likely due to OWB being single-threaded.

AmiCygnix is actually quite reasonable speed EXCEPT on operations like scrolling that use the CPU rather than gfx-card to do the blitting operations. It's simply a software issue, NOTHING to do with Sam being too slow. It's like running Windows in Safe Mode on a dual-core 2GHz PC - it'll still be slow, because hardware optimisations are disabled.

The main reason for ported apps being is NOT the hardware being too slow, but rather the ports not being optimised (yet).

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@Crumb Quote:

Try to: -play or encode HD Videos on your A1 (we are not talking about editing movies because working with various high quality video streams requires even more cpu power) -play Quake3 mods at decent resolutions (something like 1280x1024 at least to suit common TFT monitors) -make some high quality render with Blender -use emulators like MAME (with modern games, please) or UAE (try to launch starstruk, lux aeterna or any other 060 demo) -show 10MPixel images quickly (Most cheap digital cameras now use that resolutions) -retouch those high-quality pictures applying various effects with your favourite gfx package -print those images -use heavy javascript webpages with your browser (no JIT on PPC, sorry) -use any Amicygnix stuff.

I think that most of the problems you mention are SOFTWARE issues, not hardware: Even if OS4 suddenly ran on a 2-3GHz processor, I think you'd find many (if not most) of those things still a lot slower than on Windows. Reason? It's missing optimisations (or implementations) that take advantage of the hardware fully. Windows has a huge number of developers writing it's OS, writing it's drivers, writing it's apps, so it is to be expected that we can't "have it all" immediately. In fact, even trying to "keep up with Windows" may be a fool-hardy impossibility. Better to concentrate on what AmigaOS does well, and if our developers find time to optimise this or that bit to take full advantage of the hardware, then great!

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@clebin

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I find it amazing that a group of people can sit in the dark for so long and still think it's wrong to ask about the lights being switched on.

I believe it's called Stockholm syndrome.

The future depends entirely on the ownership of and entitlement to the IP and that debacle remains unresolved. It's hard to imagine anything moving forward because if you scratch the surface what lies beneath is a considerable mess.

I genuinely hope whatever Hyperion is working on is a success and is also well received by the community. But unless we see movement on the legal side or some indication of a product strategy it all sounds like more of the same.

Prove us wrong. That's all we ask.

@marko

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marko wrote: @Cool_amigaN Quote: I am in the happy position to officially confirm that OS4.x is being ported to a handheld device of a well know Scandinavian manufacturer. The press release will follow shortly after. I'm the majority owner of Nokia.

Nokia isn't the only Scandinavian manufacturer.

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Cool_amigaN wrote: @marko Quote: marko wrote: @Cool_amigaN [quote]I am in the happy position to officially confirm that OS4.x is being ported to a handheld device of a well know Scandinavian manufacturer. The press release will follow shortly after. I'm the majority owner of Nokia.

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Nokia isn't the only Scandinavian manufacturer.

Ericsson???

Edit: Neonode?

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@Hattig

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My only issue here is ... AmigaOS4.x ... stable ... ?

No.

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Unlike Samsung, Nokia and Apple : Sony-Ericsson does not have it's own Mobile OS.

But...Isn't it cheaper for such companies to acquire the technology?

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@marko
Hey, wasn't that me??? Well if OS4 comes to Ericsson I'll sell my stocks and change camps and try to stop hating our beloved neighbours;)

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No

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@Cool_amigaN

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marko wrote: @Cool_amigaN Quote: I am in the happy position to officially confirm that OS4.x is being ported to a handheld device of a well know Scandinavian manufacturer. The press release will follow shortly after. I'm the majority owner of Nokia.

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Cool_amigaN wrote: @marko Nokia isn't the only Scandinavian manufacturer.

Well, if that it true then I promise to buy some Ericsson shares as well

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@PR

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Hey, wasn't that me??? Well if OS4 comes to Ericsson I'll sell my stocks and change camps and try to stop hating our beloved neighbours;)

Then I'll sell half of the Nokia shares and buy Ericsson's instead...

The Ericsson buddies are my brothers but at Nokia they are my blood brothers. So there is some rivalry though. Some years ago one of my mates switch from Nokia to Ericsson... Hhmm... I'm not that satisfied with his decision but I respect it, nevertheless.


PS: I drive with Nokia winter-tires as well, Nokia Hakkapelitta!

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