@Fransexy
You're right. Amiga Inc failed to exploit mobile phone business.

@Troels
This is hypothetic argument assuming Hyperion is porting to a mobile device.

And you do not have to compete with IPhone or HTC Android.
There are over 3.3 Billion mobile users around the world, target 0.3% of it :)

@kolla

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Uhm... suckers! Really, with all the available cheap hardware, why bother with Genesi?

Opposite actually, Genesi is bothering with AROS. For at least two years I've been trying to tell people (including Genesi) that ARM was the way to go and not PPC. Having AROS ported to ARM is the next logical step and if Genesi thinks it's to their benefit (and I think it is) for AROS to run on their hardware, then it's all good. AROS gets ported to ARM, AROS has another platform hardware that will be fully supported.

Years ago AROS lost out on a good OEM deal because it was not ported to ARM. Now it will be and AROS has a friendly OEM to support AROS and AROS is not locked into that OEM (nor is that OEM locked into AROS) either. Time will tell if Genesi can produce their EFIKA-MX netbook at a reasonable MSRP or not.

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@amitv

Maybe it's writing a decent USB handler.

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@damocles

Yeah, well... I will certainly not bother to wait for Genesi to materialize an ARM netbook, not when there are so many others to pick from.

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I think you should stop thinking Amiga and its devs are god, and any company out there could need and contract them...

Nokia would go to a lot people before even thinking about the Amiga (if they knew the Amiga still somewhat existed)...

Nokia bought QT and is heavily involved in Linux... Why would they contract... Hyperion ? a Company that took 7 years to port a 25 years old OS from 68k to PPC ?

Which btw has nothing to do with ARM...

Why ?

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@Leo

This is interesting, no, not your post in general, but the fact that the combination Quote:

Company that took 7 years to port a 25 years old OS from 68k to PPC

can be seen quite often. It would be nice to know what the netto time was (not the brutto of 7 years...).

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@Leo

Considering that development started around 2001-2002 and the pre-release was published around may,2004, i can't see where your 7 years figure comes in.
I don't see why i bother replying, though.

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@Ami603: I'm talking about release, not pre-release...

And about something polished, and without anything remaining in 68k (except ARexx)...

"Final" release was announced on dec 2006. My mistake then: that's 5 years if we consider development started in dec 2001.

But be it 5 or 7, that doesn't change what I meant.

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@leo

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Company that took 7 years to port

Notice the word PORT in your post.

Porting to ppc is not the same as publishing a final product.
There were even presentations of OS4 Alpha around 2003, one of which i did myself.

Again, I don't see why i bother replying.This thread is going way off-topic already.

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@Leo

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"Final" release was announced on dec 2006. My mistake then: that's 5 years if we consider development started in dec 2001.

Isn't OS4 still in Beta? If it is, I wouldn't consider OS4 "finished" until the Developers have removed the Beta label.

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@Leo

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Hyperion ? a Company that took 7 years to port a 25 years old OS from 68k to PPC ?

Really? I didn't know that AmigaOS was 25 years old when they started porting. I thought it came out in '85 and the version they were porting was from 2000.

Well then, given that Windows95 was ported from Windows3.1, and then 95 to 98, and then 2000, and then 2000 to XP, and XP to Vista. Does that mean it also took Microsoft about 7 years to port Windows to Vista? Depending how old the Windows is, were Microsoft also porting a 25 ear old OS, if it's been around since around '85.

@Hypex does it really change anything ? be it 16 years or 25 ?

My point stands. So we can keep on going off subject... or see the real point.

And why do you guys always bring it to windows ? since it sucks so much according to you what's the point in comparing it ?

So, to sum up... I don't see why would Nokia contract Hyperion, who made 5 years (and not 7: I'm really sorry about that), to port a back then 16 years old (and not 25, again, I'm so sorry...) outdated OS (this stands, and this was the point... even back then in 1985 they wanted to implement features such as memory protection,.. found in Unix but couldn't. DOS.library should have been a lot better for example) to their phones since they already have everything they need to write a complete OS with QT, Linux kernel,...

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@Leo

Well, yes it does. It changes the fact that your constantly repeated argument is centric around the fact thay YOU think it took 7 years to port a 25 year old OS.

The fact that you have been proven publicly wrong is quite pleasing.

That, and the fact it is as far from a "port" as you can get, most of it has been rewritten in part or in whole since then, and even some of the source code was never supplied at all.

Anyway, why am I boring you with the details, you don't care anyway.

Wind up the gramophone....

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@damocles

The only version that is right now labelled as beta was the SAM440 version,and that was just because not enough testers had the hardware to test it properly prior to release.Having the users to wait until then was not an option, either.
Having said that, most of system components, minus specific drivers are the same versions as the pegasos and amigaone versions,and those were considered final by all means.

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@damocles

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Isn't OS4 still in Beta?

No

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@Hypex

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Really? I didn't know that AmigaOS was 25 years old when they started porting. I thought it came out in '85 and the version they were porting was from 2000.

Actually, it's over 25 years old since it's based on TripOS. I think it was ported to 68K in 1983 but it was started back in the 1970s, IIRC. Now once OS4 is no longer flagged as Beta by it's publisher, we can count the years in development since 2001. Or has the Beta label been removed by the publisher?

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@rigo

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The fact that you have been proven publicly wrong is quite pleasing. That, and the fact it is as far from a "port" as you can get, most of it has been rewritten in part or in whole since then, and even some of the source code was never supplied at all.

No, he has a valid point -- you're nitpicking over the degree of the issue.

Regardless of which side you favour, a contract was entered into with specific deliverables and they were not completed by the stipulated deadline. If it was impossible to begin or complete this work because materials were not relinquished or unforeseeable issues arose then the terms should have been changed or the project should have been scrapped.

People conveniently turn this into a personal issue, questioning the developers and their abilities. Clearly it isn't the developers who are to blame.

Does this history make engaging with a large corporation for a high profile solution dubious? Of course. Anything that is dependent on IP derived from the AmigaOS is subject to litigation. That alone is a non-starter.

And, if you set aside any legal issues and questions of competency you still have to ask whether or not the technology has any merit. Would it be feasible to base a product on the OS rather than licensing an existing solution and customizing or extending it?

@damocles

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Actually, it's over 25 years old since it's based on TripOS. I think it was ported to 68K in 1983 but it was started back in the 1970s, IIRC.

I would not say that Amiga OS is based on TripOS.
The kernel, inutition. graphics library and so forth where all new and had nothing to do with TripOS.

It was only AmigaDOS. i.e DOS.library that was based on TripOS.
And that is an addon to AmigaOS to have a higher level Disc access.

Just to get the facts a bit more correct.
However, you are correct in saying that AmigaOS is over 25 years old.

@Rogue

Os4.1 yes

@Leo Quote:

Company that took 7 years to port a 25 years old OS from 68k to PPC

While it is futile to respond to a troll like you who is only here to wind people up by insulting OS4 (often to push MOS), I am going to point-out the obvious error in your argument (and ignore your numerical errors) :

"porting" something implies that the functionality does NOT change substantially, yet Hyperion did FAR more than "port" OS3 from 68k to PPC. They radically revamped much of the OS to modernise it, and as Rigo says, in the process they ended-up rewriting nearly every system component.

So Hyperion took 5 (not 7) years to *rewrite* AmigaOS, which equals X years to port it + Y years to improve the functionality. Probably about half of those 5 years was the porting time, and the rest was bringing ancient OS3 up to more modern standards.

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