@Birbo

The only reason Hyperion said anything (as far as I know) is to avoid the "Hyperion hasn't released any updates for a while, OS4 is dead" panic stampedes that would come if they just shut up about their road map.

But at the same time it was important for them to actually DO shut up about their road map. So the only thing they said was "relax, we haven't given up on you, we're just extremely busy doing something very cool and will give more details later"

When Apple does that everyone goes "ooooooh. intriguing". When Hyperion does it people go "this is an announcement of an announcement. We demand that this be recalled and Hyperion refrain from making any bold statemements in the future. 'no comment' should be enough for everyone"

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@olegil

I agree with you.

The important thing is not to have high expectations!

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@amitv

ABOUT HYPERION:

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About Hyperion Entertainment Hyperion Entertainment is a privately held Belgian-German company, founded on 25 February, 1999. During the past 10 years Hyperion has been engaged in software development for platforms as diverse as Linux, MacOS 9/X and AmigaOS bringing top-notch entertainment software to these alternative operating systems. Other projects the company was involved in over the years include writing a software rendering engine for Monolith (developers of Shogo and N.O.L.F.), adapting the U-Boot firmware for use on the AmigaOne desktop system, assisting Smiths Aerospace (now a division of GE Aviation) with expertise in low-level 3D graphics programming and providing IT consultancy services to Belgium’s leading mobile phone operator. Since November of 2001 Hyperion has been actively developing AmigaOS 4.x, an almost complete rewrite for modern times of the legendary Amiga operating system which launched the multi-media computing revolution in 1987. Originally developed by Commodore for its line of Amiga computers, AmigaOS 4.x now runs on several PowerPC based hardware platforms including original Amiga’s with PowerPC accelerator cards and the stand-alone AmigaOne, SAM and Pegasos II platforms.

*hint *hint

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my guess its a new aos4.1 firmware for a 1,5ghz ppc board....

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@Leo

You mean it's their fault if people post more than they'd want?

Varthall

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@olegil

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When Apple does that everyone goes "ooooooh. intriguing". When Hyperion does it people go "this is an announcement of an announcement. We demand that this be recalled and Hyperion refrain from making any bold statemements in the future. 'no comment' should be enough for everyone"

One big difference, the Apple devs don't post in forums.

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@tomazkid

And? I kinda failed miserably at seeing how posting about other things and shutting up about this thing is so different from not being allowed to post about anything at all, given that the interesting thing is not posted about in any case.

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@TheDaddy

So, You were right, saying that I don't have millions to spend for developing new hardware.

But I took a few minutes to search something - et voilà:


Powerstation

And about expectations: I don't have any expectations at all. First I have to win at EuroMillions, then I would help the community to have a nice future.

So I will give my best to win a lot of money ...

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@olegil

I don't agree with you.

What Hyperion does is bad communication. I could be the next customer of AOS 4.x, couldnt'I?. And I care about, what the future os AOS will be.

If Hyperion choses to not communicate the future strategy, I will not support them any more. Apple does the right thing to go the whole hog. They understand their business!

What's the point of using AOS 4.1 on SAM? What is it good for? Where is the Sales-Argument?

Just for fun? Well that could be an honest argument.

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@all

Maybe it's not a single ambitious project but multiple ambitious projects which makes it ambitious in the first place.

(I second that time machine !

This secrecy is killing me too.

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@olegil

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And? I kinda failed miserably at seeing how posting about other things and shutting up about this thing is so different from not being allowed to post about anything at all, given that the interesting thing is not posted about in any case.

Well, they are free to post whatever they like, if they can do it politely, something they don't always manage to do.

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@TheDaddy

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I think it's either some OS4.1 improvement, some office suite port or an improved Workbench.

My thoughts lie in that direction, also.

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@Birbo

>>So, You were right, saying that I don't have millions to spend for developing new hardware.
But I took a few minutes to search something - et voilà:
Powerstation


Nonsense...sorry. I think software first then hardware. Have a full office suite, complete browser, games running on what we have available then we talk more hardware. You get the Powerstation and? What are you going to run on it?

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@Birbo

>>What's the point of using AOS 4.1 on SAM? What is it good for? Where is the Sales-Argument?

What is the point of using OS4.1 on the Powerstation?

Having OS4.1 on the Powerstation won't increase sales of OS4.1.
A complete, competitive OS will.

I fail to see what an extra GHz makes apart from running applications faster. BUT if you DON'T have applications...what are you going to do with that fast machine?

Of course it would be nice but, as I said before, I will still see some people moaning about OS4.1 even on the Powerstation.

The only ones who don't moan are the ones supporting Hyperion, the ones who have ACTUALLY bought a SAM and OS4.1, the rest just like to troll here

We need to decide what we are trying to achieve:

1) Amiga back to the old glory days? (you need a complete, competitive OS)
2) Niche market for a few hundreds enthusiasts?

In either case we are going to struggle as there are other operating systems way ahead of OS4.1 with more software and so on...

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a) Post "funny" reply where you think up an obcure science/hardware/Amiga device that nobody could make in reality

b) Post serious reply where you think up an obcure science/hardware/Amiga device that nobody could make in reality

c) Post speculation of port to some obscure hardware

d) Post speculation of port to x86

e) Post question why not port to x86?

f) Post speculation of Cell port

g) Post about all the posts being made and how crazy they are

h) Do not post at all

@TheDaddy

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You are comparing Apple (multi million company and millions of users, even 12 years ago) to a tiny company like Amiga or ACube, it makes little sense. Have you got Apple's budget?

That's the reason I think that Hyperion should release OS4 for existing PPC machines (e.g. old Apple PPC or that nice quad core machines) or even peecees instead of wasting their time with embedded 603e prototypes with no L2 cache.

Developing expensive and underpowered hardware as a dongle for a hobby OS is not the best way to make it popular

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@TheDaddy

OK. You are right! You are absolutely right.

But, Why should I develop new Software (or port), if I don't know, that OS 4.1 will have a future?

It is important to have good applications, but it is important to, telling the developers, that it's worth, making some new apps.

The SAM-way is interesting, but only, if they tell me, that development will go on. Is it a dead-end street, or not? Who knows?

The PowerStation is only an example, that there are good hardware solutions out there - fast and payable.

The GHz statement was hard for me - you don't fail to see the point: It runs applications faster. Well done! This is the point! If I buy a new Computer, I don't want to spend money for creepiness.

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@Crumb

>>That's the reason I think that Hyperion should release OS4 for existing PPC machines (e.g. old Apple PPC or that nice quad core machines) or even peecees instead of wasting their time with embedded 603e prototypes with no L2 cache.

I can't answer that, Hyperion can (or have they done that already?)

>>Developing expensive and underpowered hardware as a dongle for a hobby OS is not the best way to make it popular

I don't think they develop any expensive, underpowered hardware, that is a question for ACube. There must be a reason for the SAM, maybe money again? ACube can answer that.

The fact of the matter is that the SAM is available, lots of people have bought it, I have got two and they are good enough for me. I can't run 99% of the modern games but I use Windows for that purpose.

We might see new hardware we might not, in the meantime hanging about waiting for new hardware does no one any good

We need software, it's simple.

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@Birbo

>>OK. You are right! You are absolutely right.

Thanks

>>But, Why should I develop new Software (or port), if I don't know, that OS 4.1 will have a future?

Nobody can answer that for sure. Will the world still exist tomorrow? Hanging about waiting for an answer makes no sense to me...

>>The SAM-way is interesting, but only, if they tell me, that development will go on. Is it a dead-end street, or not? Who knows?

Well it shouldn't make any difference to a developer, you are developing for OS4.1 not the SAM aren't you?

>>The GHz statement was hard for me - you don't fail to see the point: It runs applications faster. Well done! This is the point! If I buy a new Computer, I don't want to spend money for creepiness.

Have you got a SAM, I have asked you this before. Ask people with a SAM if it's slow.

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I would like:

1) A complete (Windows Office compatible, Word etc....) Office Suite, so I don't have to use Microsoft Office

2) A fully working (java, flash etc...) browser

3) A Movie maker (like Windows movie maker, so I don't have to use it)

4) Some good games, original or ported

Some other stuff but that would do nicely to start with

With this you can go around telling people: "Try OS4.1! on this 800MHz machine"

then add: "now, if that isn't amazing enough, try it on this 2GHz monster!"

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