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umm ok ..

still no amiga or infact any computer working in my house...

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1. do "YOU" think there will be an market once os4 is released?

Apart from the current AmigaONE users, yes, why not. A tiny one in world standards though.

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2. Do "YOU" think 68k has no future for new games/apps.

I'm a bit biased. I even think there'd be a market for a 68K version of OS4. So, definitely, YES.

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3. Will "YOU" buy new software which will be ONLY for PPC ?

I've already purchased PPC only titles. Quite many.

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4. What do "YOU" expect to see on the gameing front on a1 with os4?

It's hard to say. Hyperion will surely supply the platform with Games, but OS4 must be continuously developed meanwhile, so they must have a clever balance on using their resources. Their already announced titles will appear first IMO. (mostly FPS)

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5. Would "YOU" prefer an PORT of an PC HIT? or an New invention(?) (a game from scratch , new ideas and a non hyped title)

A New Invention takes years and plenty of money. Porting is cheap. I'd prefer something original though, but I doubt there are resources for a real hit.

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6. How Much would "YOU" pay for an Ported game compared to an fresh Amiga Only title?

The same. Payback was a bit more expensive than Hyperion titles though, but I have them as well.

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7. What would make "YOU" scream AMIGA ROOLZ again? , like you did in the past(?).

I'm a bit disillusioned. Honestly, I don't know. A miracle perhaps?

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8. Do "YOU" think an Amiga One Game can pass 1000 copies sold By the End 2004 (IF we have OS4 Before the End Of the Year ofcourse)

It presumes there will be AmigaONE Games ready by the release of OS4. The timeframe is rather small, given there is not even a public beta out. By End of 2005, why not. (with the same disclaimer)

@Toaks

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1. do "YOU" think there will be an market once os4 is released?

The Amiga survived more than 10 years after the last Amiga came out. So obviously there is a market. With OS4 the market can only get better.

The dealers won't make millions as MS or Apple dealers but that is not the point.
If we get the Cinese market (with 7% growth every year) we will sell millions of Amigas and also do see very good software for the Amiga.

2. Do "YOU" think 68k has no future for new games/apps.

NO. The 68k will be used in embedded systems (microwaves, washing machines ...)

3. Will "YOU" buy new software which will be ONLY for PPC ?

Yes. I'm definetly waitung for PageStream PPC and ImageFX PPC native.

4. What do "YOU" expect to see on the gameing front on a1 with os4?

Nothing. Don't do games. That was during my C64 and A1000 times. I don't have no time for playing. My 1 year old son is the best game I ever had adventure, multimedia, strategy and everything else you can imagine... it's all realtime even sometimes at night

5. Would "YOU" prefer an PORT of an PC HIT? or an New invention(?) (a game from scratch , new ideas and a non hyped title)

A port won't sell more A1 but something new would do it. Why not reinvent something like MArble Madness? Or an online ?Searching the murder" game with the users as actors with Webcam support and the digitzed faced textured over the game character. (I know that already works with PSP2 and xbox, but these people won't buy an A1)

6. How Much would "YOU" pay for an Ported game compared to an fresh Amiga Only title?

Won't buy it. Perhaps a TOMB RAIDER game, with better GFX.

7. What would make "YOU" scream AMIGA ROOLZ again? , like you did in the past(?).

A very good Videoediting Imageprocessor Music editor!!!!
FinalCut Xpress Pro, coupled with GIMP 2/Photoshop, which are integrated into a Realtime renderer à la "Real 4D" plus an integrated soundeditor like Cubase.

One big program with all the features of the programs mentioned above, which would bring back the A1 to the Media Companies like the VideoToaster did.

8. Do "YOU" think an Amiga One Game can pass 1000 copies sold By the End 2004 (IF we have OS4 Before the End Of the Year ofcourse)

We would need alt least 1000 A1 sold! which I thinks is the limit at the moment. Plus not everybody buying an A1 plays games.

What we need is a very good productivity package. I don't speak of OpenOffice. We need a niche product which kills all other apps in that direction!!!

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Toaks wrote: @Bodie_CI5 umm ok .. still no amiga or infact any computer working in my house...

It's a pre-emptive bumping. Maximum coverage till your situation is sorted out. Take as long as you need dude. We're here for ya.

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I sure hope there is a market.

Let's face one fact that sometimes gets ignored. Not every Amiga user games. I sure don't.

We have a Toaster/Flyer editing system in an A4000T w/PPC where I work. I'm just hoping that all of NewTek's software works properly under OS4. That would be at anywhere from two to four times the current speed.

When OS4 is released, that machine is going to to try it out. That's even if I have to pay for it myself.

And, as soon as I can afford it, I'll be getting an AmigaOne of some form at home. Since I already run Linux at home to keep M$ out, learning to duel boot an A1 should be no problem.

Now everybody spin the prayer wheel a few hundred times to help Hyperion get the last bugs out.

"...Certainty of death, small chance of success - what are we waiting for?!"

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1. do "YOU" think there will be an market once os4 is released?

Yes, I won't be continuosly posting here unless I truly believe there IS a chance.
Anyway I have to say that IMHO it all depends on the pricing of the microA1.

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2. Do "YOU" think 68k has no future for new games/apps.

Talking about apps: same old problem; 68K means backwards compatibility, and I believe that if the platform has to be competitive again userbase should at least upgrade to an A1 class machine. Classic Amigas are (were?) good, but there are far too many bottlenecks and software tricks...

So I would say 68K has no future for apps, but this obviously depends on the developers.

Regarding games, there may be a future but as said by others I'm afraid it is only for good-old 2D games, which incidentally I like very much. Unfortunately that doesn't mean this is what a (successful) platform needs.

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3. Will "YOU" buy new software which will be ONLY for PPC ?

Yes I will.

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4. What do "YOU" expect to see on the gameing front on a1 with os4?

Many ports of PC/console games, it is the most realistic scenario, at least in the first couple of months (you usually don't finish a game in 6 weeks or so like in the C64 era ).

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5. Would "YOU" prefer an PORT of an PC HIT? or an New invention(?) (a game from scratch , new ideas and a non hyped title)

An original (and excellent) title could well be a killer application. Ports would be good too, but they shouldn't cost too much compared with the platforms they come from.
People already get themselves angry having to wait months (years) for a conversion/porting, at least the game price shouldn't be too high... but I understand developers will say that with a very small userbase this is a very difficult goal to achieve.

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6. How Much would "YOU" pay for an Ported game compared to an fresh Amiga Only title?

Ported 35?, original 50?.

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7. What would make "YOU" scream AMIGA ROOLZ again? , like you did in the past(?).

I think the amiga is still a GREAT computing platform (considering what happened during the last 10 years!!!).

I'd be more than happy to scream AMIGA is great like in '80s/'90s if Sony bought KMOS and ported AmigaOS to PS2, so we could have again the best of both worlds (game & OS/apps, with a very good/innovative/proprietary HW platform).

But who knows, maybe mr. Hare's company is secretly funded by Sony?

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8. Do "YOU" think an Amiga One Game can pass 1000 copies sold By the End 2004 (IF we have OS4 Before the End Of the Year ofcourse)

Assuming such a game is already in production and is being finished and/or (even better) launched together with a modestly priced A1-class machine... well it wouldn't be impossibile IMHO.

*** 1. do "YOU" think there will be an market once os4 is released? ***

little market :-/

*** 2. Do "YOU" think 68k has no future for new games/apps. ***

68k is dead.

*** 3. Will "YOU" buy new software which will be ONLY for PPC ? ***

of course, yes!

*** 4. What do "YOU" expect to see on the gameing front on a1 with os4? ***

CUSTOM GAMES! Even is the quality is a bit lower, custom, custom, custom! No port (just a few)!

*** 5. Would "YOU" prefer an PORT of an PC HIT? or an New invention(?) (a game from scratch , new ideas and a non hyped title) ***

see answer 4 ;) New Invention!

I'm sure Hyperion is good enough for that, but making Os and gameing at the same time is impossible :-/ And Os 4 is not the end, Os 4.2 have to follow.

*** 6. How Much would "YOU" pay for an Ported game compared to an fresh Amiga Only title? ***

Ported game: PC price + 15 euros max.

fresh Amiga title: Up to 60 euros.

*** 7. What would make "YOU" scream AMIGA ROOLZ again? , like you did in the past(?). ***

AMIGA ROOLZ!!!

*** 8. Do "YOU" think an Amiga One Game can pass 1000 copies sold By the End 2004 (IF we have OS4 Before the End Of the Year ofcourse) ***

I think it is possible but Os 4 should be released before september to reach 1000 copy before 2005.

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@Toaks

>1. do "YOU" think there will be an market once os4 is released?

YES !!

A small niche market.

(unless Garry manages to prepare a pleasant surprice)

>2. Do "YOU" think 68k has no future for new games/apps.

yes

>3. Will "YOU" buy new software which will be ONLY for PPC ?

Irrelevant. I buy "new AOS SW", that's same as "new 68k SW" untill I have a PPC Amiga.

>4. What do "YOU" expect to see on the gameing front on a1 with os4?

More game ports.
Perhaps some game developers get more interest towards amiga.

It does not make AOS games suddenly more profitable.
(unless Garry manages to prepare a pleasant surprice)

>5. Would "YOU" prefer an PORT of an PC HIT? or an New invention(?) (a game from scratch , new ideas and a non hyped title)

New invention.

But because I do not play PC/PS2/whatever games, all ports to Amiga feel/look like a new invention.

>6. How Much would "YOU" pay for an Ported game compared to an fresh Amiga Only title?

A ported game: roughly same as what the original cost.
A new game: 50? is ok, 100? is a little bit too much.

>7. What would make "YOU" scream AMIGA ROOLZ again? , like you did in the past(?).

AOS4 that behaves on PPC 600Mhz like AOS3.9 running natively on a 1Ghz 68k.

>8. Do "YOU" think an Amiga One Game can pass 1000 copies sold By the End 2004 (IF we have OS4 Before the End Of the Year ofcourse)

No. By mid 2005 it could be possible. Prime candidate: Soldier Of Fortune, another: Night Rider (or whatever it is called)


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btw. I'm PowerPC405G user, I hope it counts.

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