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hatschi 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 18:42:14
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@Boot_WB

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Just downloaded (at a cost of $10) the company status from Delaware Division of Corporations:

Status: AR delinquent, Tax due
Status date: 03/02/2009 (ie 2nd March)

(From the website: "This represents a corporation that has not filed the required annual report and there are delinquent taxes due."

Looks like Amiga Inc isn't taking care of basic business anymore.


Most likely a result of Kouri's death and the case of Inception Group Real Estate LLC against Amiga Inc:

"INCEPTION GROUP REAL ESTATE LLC,
Plaintiff,
v.
AMIGA INC.,
Defendant.


IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED

Pursuant to the Court’s Order of September 14, 2009 (Dkt. No. 12), a default judgment is hereby entered against Defendant. The Court awards Plaintiff the following amounts:

(1) Damages for breach of contract: $150,000.00;
(2) Prejudgment interest: $7,052.05;
(3) Attorneys’ fees and costs: $3,071.70.

The total amount of the judgment is $160,123.75.

Dated this 17th day of September, 2009."

For Amiga Inc vs. Hyperion, those figures are probably reversed with attorneys’ fees and costs making up the highest amount (for both parties).

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DAX 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 19-Oct-2009 18:48:29
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@umisef
You're right, take PA out (it was bought a year ago but did not know it myself).
Still Ibm and Amcc are doing new designs.

The latter has a Quad Core with 2MB L2 cache next.

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Re: Amiga Inc?
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@hatschi

Pretty much matches the #s from the original document dated June 12, 2009.

The balance including interest then was listed as exceeding $235,000, but with
plaintiff agreeing to accept $150,000 as full satisfaction.

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Hatshci! Welcome back! Long time no see!

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Re: Amiga Inc?
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@all

They allegedly never paid the judgement for Mr. Peck last we heard. I see little reason to believe they plan to pay off this one either. I also would personally doubt Hyperion forking over that large an amount in their settlement.

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Re: Amiga Inc?
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@DAX

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DAX wrote:

PPC is not dead by the way, aside from obvious console use (I won't even enter here as it doesn't concern us), there are 3 active developers building new designs as we speak (Titan is the first PPC original design for AMCC, IBM just completed Power8 and then there is PA Semi).



I would completly exclude IBM from the equation, as IBM is producing Server chips or custom designs (consoles). As for PA Semi - I thought they were bought by Apple? And Apple bought them imo for ARM core purposes for their devices. So who's left? Even Freescale (Motorola) is pushing ARMs (although they still do PPCs).

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Seiya 
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@Mr_DBUG

true..
now will be very good to see on Aros, Gallium 3D and Firefox :D

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persia 
Re: Amiga Inc?
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@ne_one

ARM is pretty crowded at this point, Windows Mobile, Mac OS, WebOS, Android just to mention a few. Any operating system needs to prove it's value to users to make a dent in the market. At this point in time neither Morphos nor Amiga OS 4 are able to do that. It's really about the apps you can run rather than the OS. Give users some killer apps and you're in. But that's easier said than done. It takes a lot of faith to develop for a platform who's users number in the hundreds and lacks a decent IDE.

It's a long way from where we are today to even slight success. Given the history and given the obstacles I very much expect that 10 years from now you'll be having the same arguments and discussions. If you've enjoyed your OS of choice though it really doesn't matter.

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DAX 
Re: Amiga Inc?
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IBM still sells G5 to various customers so we cannot exclude them in any possible way (moreover while they want pretty large orders you can deal with their partners for smaller orders).
Amcc is alive an kicking (designing new chips, a dual now and a quad in the near future) so PPC is here to stay period.

The most important thing that many forget here is the simple fact that we DO NOT have an ARM or x86 OS and to do these kind of migrations you either have the workforce of a NASDAQ company (read:Apple) or thousands of programmers working for free (read:Linux).

Aos4 has neither of the above.

PPC is a fast and sure bet for the time being.

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Re: Amiga Inc?
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@DAX

Of course... There is always the alternative

Hyperion have the rights to the AmigaOs name. They could easily Lick & Stick the AmigaOs brand on any distro !!

( Not that I think they would. FAR too much work has already gone into Os4 > , But would that be soooo bad anyway ?)

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Lou 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 20-Oct-2009 12:04:04
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@all

Amiga Inc. settled because the last thing they needed was yet another judgement against them further exposing them for the sham that they are.

To the armchair lawyers: I told you so.
Yeah, I went there.

Now let's get an intermediate language runtime that could even be 68kASM and run Amiga software on any hardware running any Amiga-like OS.

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danwood 
Re: Amiga Inc?
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@DAX

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IBM still sells G5 to various customers so we cannot exclude them in any possible way (moreover while they want pretty large orders you can deal with their partners for smaller orders).


The G5 is a terrible chip though, and produces far too much heat.

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paolone 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 20-Oct-2009 13:02:15
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@Mr_DBUG

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I say ignore x86 for now as a port and just co operate with the AROS guys instead ! So that AROS is as compatible it can get without having to make a full OS4 port from scratch..


AROS core parts are released under the terms of a public license which grants you the rights to take the code, adapt it as you wish, add what you want, and release it as a commercial product. In other words, if Hyperion wishes, they can take APL-ed AROS parts, add their own codebase, and release them the day after as AmigaOS x86. They are just obliged to follow the APL and contribute back their modifications. But anything they developed by themselves can still be sold as closed source (like the Friedens are doing for Firefox).

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HKvalhe 
Re: Amiga Inc?
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@DAX

I'm not sure, but the best yet is that Hyperion want AmigaOS 4.1 to be fully completed.

@Acer

Well, if Amiga Inc want to support AmigaOS, they will have to ask Hyperion Entertainment for a license, like mentioned earlier..

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Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 20-Oct-2009 13:32:09
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@all

I'm not sure why people are talking about Acer (the company) here.

Quote:
Gateway ditches direct sales model, goes purely indirect

(written AFTER the takeover announcement)

and...
Quote:
Gateway said yesterday it had agreed to sell its corporate business unit to MPC

Quote:
Proceeds from the sale of the corporate business unit would be transferred to Acer once the Taiwanese company completes its purchase of Gateway


And yet people still say categorically "Acer owns amiga patents".
I wouldn't mind seeing the proof on that, since the above would indicate that the patents could now be in almost anyone's hands.

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danwood 
Re: Amiga Inc?
Posted on 20-Oct-2009 13:34:51
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@number6

I'd be very surprised if Acer even realised they owned them.

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Cool_amigaN 
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Posted on 20-Oct-2009 14:01:33
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@danwood

Quote:

danwood wrote:
@DAX

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IBM still sells G5 to various customers so we cannot exclude them in any possible way (moreover while they want pretty large orders you can deal with their partners for smaller orders).


The G5 is a terrible chip though, and produces far too much heat.


Why is it terrible? It is one of the fastest ppc cpus! And who cares about power consumption and heating?Will, the produced heat, pollute the planet or will it add to the Global Warming? Then I would surely say, Bring It, On! I wanna see Finland having the beaches of Greece by 2020 and I will help achieving it by using a G5 class cpu and producing more heat!

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Posted on 20-Oct-2009 14:09:07
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@danwood

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I'd be very surprised if Acer even realised they owned them.


Right, but...

What I've posted is proof that Gateway was selling pieces of the company that Acer never got. So I'm just wondering why everyone thinks Acer even HAS the patents???

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Posted on 20-Oct-2009 14:26:10
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@Al4

So how does this affect hardware? Can Hyperion run OS4 on any hardware? Does Amiga Inc control the Amiga name? Nobody can use it without Amiga Inc's permission? Hyperion has a product series called OS[number] with the rights to that name. They can't use the word "Amiga" anywhere? It's kind of sad that the only thing left of Amiga are the letters OS. What about the word "Workbench"?

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Posted on 20-Oct-2009 15:01:15
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@Cool_amigaN



@Thread
No I don't think Acer holds any patent that would be of interest here, and Yes, I believe that Hyperion can put an "AmigaOS" sticker (and BoingBall) on compatible hardware (or at least give the stickers to the hardware manufaturer, you go from there...)

AmigaOS_Cube5000 (the Amigans rendition of X-Box) is coming!!

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