@Al4

Can somebody please clear up the name rights question. I think it's important.

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@DAX

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No I don't think Acer holds any patent that would be of interest here

See above.
Prove to me Acer even holds these patents.

And I dare say the AGA patent must mean something. It has not expired.
Have you heard about Clone-A or any of Jens Schoenfeld's issues over all of this?

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@number6
I totally agree with you.
I meant to say that although they do own some patents they are probably not Amiga related (ie: no Amiga patent at all) maybe they have patents for PC Joisticks!!

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@DAX

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I totally agree with you.I meant to say that although they do own some patents they are probably not Amiga related (ie: no Amiga patent at all) maybe they have patents for PC Joisticks!!

Ahh. Gotcha.

btw-MPC has since gone bankrupt as well and auctioned off what was described as a 50 million USD warehouse full of remains.
Also has never been clear what Amiga Technologies and HP exchanged in settlement.

Perhaps not entirely relevant to where we go from here, but still...

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thinkchip wrote: @Al4 So how does this affect hardware? Can Hyperion run OS4 on any hardware? Does Amiga Inc control the Amiga name? Nobody can use it without Amiga Inc's permission? Hyperion has a product series called OS[number] with the rights to that name. They can't use the word "Amiga" anywhere? It's kind of sad that the only thing left of Amiga are the letters OS. What about the word "Workbench"?

Strange it was explained over and over ...

>So how does this affect hardware?

There is no need of bundlin an Amiga hardware to an AmigaOS any more-

>Can Hyperion run OS4 on any hardware?

Yes (according to their announcement )

>Does Amiga Inc control the Amiga name?

Yes ( as long as it is related to computers )

>Nobody can use it without Amiga Inc's permission?

Yes ( as long as it is related to computers )

>Hyperion has a product series called OS[number] with the rights to that name.

No they have a product called AmigaOS4 and they have the rights for the Name AmigaOS. Names like OS/2 OS9 or (MS-D)OS3.3 where never a trademark by Amiga Inc. or Hyperion.

>They can't use the word "Amiga" anywhere?

Wrong Hyperion can not use the word "Amiga Anywhere" or "Amiga" even the word AmigaDOS is a Amiga Inc. trademark .

>t's kind of sad that the only thing left of Amiga are the letters OS

No that is wrong.

>What about the word "Workbench"?

It was IMR never an Amiga Inc. or Hyperion trademark, maybe it could not be used as a trademark because it is common term like window for example.

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If you don't believe me, here are the trademarks registerd by Amiga Inc.:
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Trademarks™, service marks SM, and registered marks ® of AMIGA, Inc. and its affiliates appear on this web-site. They are either registered in the USA and other countries or pending registration. * AMIGA * AMIGA ANYWHERE * AMIGADOS * AMIGA ENABLED * AMIGAOS * AMIGA (Stylized) * Boing Ball Logo * POWERED BY AMIGA & DESIGN * SHUFFLE PIX The absence of a trademark or service mark from this web-site or from this list does not constitute a waiver of Amiga's trademark or other intellectual property rights concerning that name or logo.

Source: http://amiga.com/about/contact/?contact_department=brandlicensing

substract waht Hyperion got:

“AmigaOS"
“BoingBall”
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko
yes but when they bought AmigaOS from Gateway they stated what it was: Amiga OS and ALL that is associated with it, including Exec, AmigaDos and Workbench.

They didn't acquire an empty shell but the whole thing.

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@DAX
Hyperion acquired full rights to it's own work, the rights to any 3.1 code it used to create that work and the right to use two Amiga Inc trademarks in marketing it's OS (AmigaOS and the Boing Ball),

Hyperion did not acquire ownership of anything that belongs to Amiga Inc, Classic Amiga OS belongs to Amiga Inc, all the names and trademarks belong to Amiga Inc. Amiga Inc did not give up anything it owned, Hyperion did not give up anything it owned. The agreement allows Hyperion to chart it's own course free of legal issues.

AMiga Inc would be free to say team up with the new Commodore and produce a line of Commodore Amiga PC clones if it wished. The only Amiga computers can come from Amiga Inc. This of course only applies to computers, you are free to call your Portuguese girl friend "Amiga"

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I see little reason to believe they plan to pay off this one either.

Another round of name changes and a different state of regsitration then?

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@DAX

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DAX wrote: @Arko yes but when they bought AmigaOS from Gateway they stated what it was: Amiga OS and ALL that is associated with it, including Exec, AmigaDos and Workbench.

Yes and after the settlement they are free to use it again ...

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@persia
I know that

However, Hyperion can give "AmigaOS Compatible" or "Made for AmigaOS" stickers to HW vendors and there you would have the Amiga name (albeit with the "OS" part present too) on computers made for Hyperion...

Good enough

@Arko
If the IRS does not shut them down, that is...

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What are they doing? They should give info on the status of their work and what they plan.

Who knows? Hopefully they find th settlement beneficial in some way. Janie kruger recently posted that he's still considering to renew his contract or not, since that's not an outright no, never, they suck, then it must not have been a horrible place for him to work for.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29777&forum=2&start=60&viewmode=flat&order=0#514299

But, from our perspective, other than being an obstacle to what we want, Amiga Inc. has been largely irrelevant. Now that they've ceased to be an obstacle, let them be even more irrelevant to us, and go on with whatever it is that they like to think they are and do.

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@billt
A friend of mine worked for a Magazine that was about to be shut down, the month before he was even sent to a convention at their expenses, a moth after they went all home...

Bottom line, employees rarely know what is going to happen 2 week from now...

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@DAX

I had to close a company that I owned once. Sometimes even Management doesn't know when it's going to hit. We were struggling month to month and suddenly one of our major customers is sold to a chinese firm. We tried to make up for it, in fact we sent people to a convention to try to get new customers, but we were stretched too far, the bills kept coming and the income didn't recover, it's amazing how quick collapse comes sometimes, one minute you' think you've survived the crisis then next minute the bank has put a new lock on your door...

Hyperion were smart to become a limited liability company, at least you keep your house and other property, even if your company tanks.

@thinkchip

rights...Hyperion can legally call OS 4 "Amiga OS 4". They can use the boing ball logo for uses relating to their operating system. They can call their next OS Amiga OS 5 and the one after that Amiga OS 6, etc.

The project is probably ARM netbook/laptop, from a couple of comments. Definitely more customers if it costs $200 and not $700. May be wrong...

Last edited by Al4 on 22-Oct-2009 at 07:23 PM.