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Tomas 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 20:28:31
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Why the hell did Apple buy PA semi anyways?
Just so they could kill it to get rid of competition?

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Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
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I know its fantastic with this new machine, but I somehow sit with a feeling there should have been more! - not hardware wise, but presentation wise. After all the hype and riddles I think they should have made much more out of the revelation. Many sites writes about this new computer NOW, and it was a good chance to get some potential new users to see which state AmigaOS is in, and attract them even more!

Hyperion what are you doing???

only 200 posts about it shows something is not right

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Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 20:51:10
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@Hondo

The problem now really is that there are different threads about this great machine. And don't forget that the past few days a lot of posting was going on trying to figure out what Hyperion... erm... A-Eon have been cooking the past months. Now that most has been disclosed by now people start to:
- Discuss pricing.
- Get some nights sleep back.
- Talk with bank managers for a loan to get the beast.
- Study on how to program Xena in a stunning way.
- Talk with their wives to get the / yet another machine into the house.
- ....

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MZ 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 20:52:11
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Speaking of X.

I'd like to see Xbmc or similar ported to new HW.

DVB-C/T decoders etc. for XMOS chip would be nice too. Of course this needs some extra HW for aerial plug at least and some software too. HDMI connector would be nice too. Nice black hifi size case...and we have a winner.

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Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 20:54:01
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From: Behind dikes, on seabottom. Netherlands, that is. More exact: Flevoland.

So here we are: at the dawn of a new Amiga. I can tell you frankly that I almost had tears in my eyes when this all dawned upon me. I am a happy man now!

Two things: what, oh what about software? Please do tell! And wouldn't it be a good idea that the well-known jounalist, who thought this all up, wrote a book on how it all happened? Beginning at the very first start, when some-one first started to think about developing such a machine, untill these wonderful and yet tantalizing days at the end of 2009 and the beginning of 2010? The whole story?

And once more a very big THANK YOU to Hyperion et al.


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Amiga_3k 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 20:54:46
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@MZ

A CDTV on steroids. Should be with built in high quality amplifier... that way I could talk it into the house a lot easier

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Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 20:55:34
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@Hondo

Quote:
I know its fantastic with this new machine, but I somehow sit with a feeling there should have been more! - not hardware wise, but presentation wise. After all the hype and riddles I think they should have made much more out of the revelation. Many sites writes about this new computer NOW, and it was a good chance to get some potential new users to see which state AmigaOS is in, and attract them even more! Hyperion what are you doing??? only 200 posts about it shows something is not right


I agree, no mention on the Hyperion site at all, it’s like they forgot to tell the webmaster there major hardware partner is making an announcement. Very little information on a-eon.com, understand if they can not release CPU info at the moment but would have thought a few more pics and an ‘About Us/Contact Us’ page.

Still want one but doubt I can afford one. But left with more questions than answers at the moment.

Also, anyone know if the hidden.png was in reference to XMOS chip or the CPU?

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Hans 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
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@Tomas

Quote:

Tomas wrote:
Why the hell did Apple buy PA semi anyways?
Just so they could kill it to get rid of competition?


Possibly because the engineers at that company know almost every trick in the book for lowering the power consumption of a CPU. Given the iPhone, iPod, etc., that's very useful expertise. Having said that, it seems like an awful lot of money to take a company and then bury its own product. Who knows what other reasons they have.

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MZ 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:03:19
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@Amiga_3k

Too bad that I already bought high quality amp.

But there's still decent PVR missing in my hometheatre/study.

Dreambox seemed like a good option (with PPC, modularity, etc.) but it still has something missing.



EDIT: Here's additional info about Dreambox and it's Enigma OS :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreambox

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@MZ



The problem with machines like that is they lack user-friendliness for the not so computer educated (the wife). A machine like that should, for everyday usage, be as simple to use as the CD-Player or radio... (and when she's working in the evening, I get to play with the more advance options ).

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Amike 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:15:56
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@TrevorDick

Quote:

TrevorDick wrote:
@ddni

Bang!

Sound of me being shot for revealing too much!


TrevorD



ddni was asking if this is a power6 CPU, means your reaction that the X1000 cames with a POWER6!?!?!?!?

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MZ 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:20:10
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@Amiga_3k

User friendly gui is a must...

If you check Xbmc or Plex mediacenters, you'll notice that those are quite ok... not perfect but...ok.

AmigaOS doesn't have any decent options for mediacenter use... So I personally see that a some scale of problem.

Speaking on smuggling new gear into house, that's a different story...

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walter 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:27:02
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@Hondo
Quote:
more! - not hardware wise, but presentation wise

I think they picked their angle (tease and riddle) and stuck to it. It didn't cost
much and it got attention. It certainly brought old users back here (and
perhaps attracted new ones). I'm not sure Hyperion/Aeon has the resources
or infrastructure for an Amiga---err---"X1000 Club" to welcome/market to/
educate/indoctrinate potential customers. I think they did pretty well with
what they had. It seems like more cool and less corporate.

Quote:
only 200 posts about it shows something is not right

Substantial interest built up as the teasing developed, and there is probably
an inevitable letdown---NOT disappointment---when something like this is
finally revealed. We're tired. We're beginning to assess what it means.
We need to wander around for a while and figure out where we left our beer.

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Derfs 
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@Amike

Quote:

Amike wrote:
@TrevorDick

Quote:

TrevorDick wrote:
@ddni

Bang!

Sound of me being shot for revealing too much!


TrevorD



ddni was asking if this is a power6 CPU, means your reaction that the X1000 cames with a POWER6!?!?!?!?


you have 2 choices

# The PA6T core from P.A. Semi
# Titan from AMCC

as those are Power ISA v.2.04 compliant

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divina 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:29:51
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@TrevorDick

Hi,

POWER6+ ?

[The slightly enhanced POWER6+ was introduced in April 2009, but had been shipping in Power 560 and 570 systems since October 2008. It brings frequencies up to 5 GHz and more memory keys for secure memory partition, a feature taken from IBM's mainframe processors.]

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Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:37:05
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@Hans

Nows your chance! tell hyperion that you will have a 2d gfx card driver for a high end radeon ready by summer, and all they need to do is give you a free x1000 dev system

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Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:37:26
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@Derfs

Yes, I'm with you, my tip is also the Titan vom AMCC, but the reaction of TrevorD concerning the question of ddni does not fit to this theory.

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Smurfen 
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Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:38:31
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@Derfs

Quote:
you have 2 choices
# The PA6T core from P.A. Semi
# Titan from AMCC

as those are Power ISA v.2.04 compliant


Those are the known ones according to public wiki information.

But, hey the following also conforms to the "POWER ISA v.2.04 and newer standards"...
power6
power7
e500-mc core

It will be interesting to see what will be revealed.

Last edited by Smurfen on 05-Jan-2010 at 10:18 PM.

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MZ 
Re: MAP == A-Eon.com? Part 3
Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:46:35
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@Derfs

what we got is... 2.04+

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Architecture#Power_ISA_v.2.03

Power ISA v.2.04
The specification for Power ISA v.2.04 was finalized in June 2007. It is based on Power ISA v.2.03 and includes changes primarily to the Book III-S part regarding virtualization, hypervisor functionality, logical partitioning and virtual page handling.

Compliant cores
Cores that comply with the Power ISA v.2.03
The PA6T core from P.A. Semi
Titan from AMCC

Power ISA v.2.05
The specification for Power ISA v.2.05 was released in December 2007. It is based on Power ISA v.2.04 and includes changes primarily to Book I and Book III-S, including significant enhancements such as decimal arithmetic (Category: Decimal Floating-Point in Book I) and server hypervisor improvements.

Compliant cores
Cores that comply with the Power ISA v.2.04
POWER6


Power ISA v.2.06
The specification for Power ISA v.2.06 was released in February 2009. It is based on Power ISA v.2.05 and includes extensions for the POWER7 processor and e500-mc core. One significant new feature is vector-scalar floating-point instructions. Book III-E also includes significant enhancement for the embedded specification regarding hypervisor and virtualisation on single and multi core implementations.
Compliant cores
Cores that comply with the Power ISA v.2.05
POWER7
e500-mc core


EDIT: C&P from wikipedia.

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pertinaxone 
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Posted on 5-Jan-2010 21:52:46
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@Hondo

"Hyperion what are you doing???"

Hopefully getting the boards/systems out to developers... A trick missed in recent years, without wanting to knock anyone in particular.

We appear to know the Friedens have two but what of others? I would love to think that (games) companies such as EA, team17, ex-pysgnosis or bullfrog employees have been given a machine to play with, to whet their appetite for want of a better phrase. Also all the big players in productivity software (NewTek, DiscreetFX both spring immediately to mind).

From what I see in this board, it has everything to inspire people from the bedroom coders and hack-it-hobbyists, the demoscene etc all the way to professionals in big companies who can't quite get their Wintel box or Mac to do what THEY want in that slightly different way.

As said, we now "have" the hardware, we have to bring the software alongside, across or in some cases up, to its level.



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