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Poll : interested by a netbook/notebook running AmigaOS?
Yes, I'll buy one with these specs
No, I don't need mobile AmigaOS
 
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Drummerboy 
Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 0:37:44
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@elwood

The Amiga Notebook are the Dream never came true!

I think the hardware should be something special, in appaerance and abilities for a price like suggest in this post. Becouse if its only a computer for load the Amiga OS maybe are more cheapeast any Laptop where they can load any Amiga Emulator.

Anyway, many Amiga user are waiting for any Amiga notebook.

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Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 1:42:09
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I haven't looked into the situation to closely myself but it seems there are a lot of companies in china producing generic laptops and selling them to companies all over the world rebranded as their own , would it not be possible to contact the manufacturer of the limebook in regard to having a customised version for sale as an amiga os compatible (maybe using the AmigaOne brand as with the X1000) as this method would not require custom low volume hardware as it's (possibly) already produced in high enough numbers to keep the costs low and all that would be required is for the case to be produced in a different colour, different logo's printed and a slight modification to the firmware to keeping customisation to a minimum.

I am not sure this is possible with the limebook or even if the limebook is even still available as it's been talked about for nearly 2 years but rarely seen in the wild but if it is then it seems like a viable way to achieve an amiga compatible portable system without all the usual costs involved in producing custom hardware for our tiny market and i do believe if the price was low enough such a system would attract more new and returning users than any of the currently available or announced systems even if it may lack a lot in terms of performance.

If i thought i could raise the money to go ahead with such a plan and thought i could successfully run a business then i would investigate further and contact the relevant people but i don't have the finances, skills or knowledge to make it happen so its just an idea that i figured i would share, it's probably been considered and thrown out by somebody with a better idea than me before now.

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Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 3:50:20
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Quote:

steril606 wrote:

Good things come to those who wait...


...and wait, and wait, and wait.......

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Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 4:16:13
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@elwood

Right now I have a very nice HP laptop. I would consider another laptop if it was similar in construction to the MacBook Air (or MacBook Pro as a second choice). If a SAM440 could be made to fit into such a thin package, I would consider it immediately. I would prefer to have 802.11 wireless LAN (Wi-Fi) connectivity to my router, like I do with my current HP laptop.

Otherwise the specs you indicated are fine with me ...
Hardware: something like the Sam440, with 1GB RAM, a 2.5" hard disk, a touch pad, USB slots...
Operating system: AmigaOS

Sam440 is powerful enough for my needs, but thin, light-weight construction (like MacBook Air) is the most important consideration for me.

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Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 8:06:46
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@all

How would you feel about a fully supported laptop that runs Aros and can synchronise with AmigaOS4 in either SAM or X1000. Would cost say 299 euros, and run all 68k software.


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Posted on 8-Jan-2010 8:32:50
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@clusteruk

What do you mean synchronize? For Aros, I would prefer a netbook, for AOS4.x and MOS2.x I would choose a laptop.

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Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 9:14:15
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@Cool_amigaN

We already have a netbook support for Aros which is what I meant, forget netbook or laptop would AmigaOS4 users accept an Aros portable instead of the VERY unlikely appearance of an Amiga laptop within the next two years.

Synching, I mean making sure your mail accounts are synched, favorites in browers and a personal folder synch for work done on both machines. This kind of synching, office apps are catered by Google docs and other already.

Is the concept of using Aros on your portable Amiga acceptable, obviously Aros fans say yes, but I want to know from AmigaOS4 fans ?

edit: Why a laptop for Amiga and netbook for Aros?

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Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 9:16:57
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elwood 
Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 12:33:56
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@clusteruk

Quote:
the VERY unlikely appearance of an Amiga laptop within the next two years.

Please speak for yourself (ClusterUK) not in general.
It is unlikely only if people keep wanting the same as PC/MAC laptops whereas the Amiga market is certainly not the same as the PC/MAC one. :-/

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clusteruk 
Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 13:20:47
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@elwood

I can give you a scenario that would generate an Amiga laptop but doubt the community would back it.

edit: a laptop running AmigaOS4 that is

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Posted on 8-Jan-2010 13:27:59
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@elwood
The AMCC440ep only makes up a portion of the power drain in this scenario, a 15" LCD panel is going to drain at least 10 to 15 Watts at its lowest intensity level, add to that the WiFi adapter (either usb or ethernet bridge unless someone writes a driver for a broadcomm mini-pci card), the HDD motor, the DVD drive, the touchpad and keyboard logic, the amp for the speakers, and the DC-DC converter is bound to cause a few losses.

I don't know how many Watts it really adds up to but my guess is: somewhere between 20 and 50 Watts depending what's active at any given time.

With 16 Li-Ion cells (3.7V/2600mA ea.) you can get 12V/6.4A which is about 38W for two hours or 50W for 90 minutes and would cost from $96 to $128 for the cells plus $5 to $10 for the PCB, and a weight of ~800 grams. Double these numbers for 3-4 hours battery life.

I could be overestimating the power drain as my old laptop was getting 3 hours out of a 14.8V/4.5A pack, effectively draining only 22W with a 800MHz P4-M, HDD, DVD, 2 fans, R7500M, WiFi, 15" screen and audio, which is comparable to the SAM440 in most respects.

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Posted on 8-Jan-2010 13:54:47
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@clusteruk

Easiest scenario is port to iBook/PowerBook. Yea, they're old, but they're still better than SAM performance class, also much better performance than that other PPC laptop someone was peddling here a few months ago.I don' tcare that they're old, it's certainly a better answer and much less work than inventing anew high-performance PPC laptop that's "easier" to port the OS for.

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elwood 
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Posted on 8-Jan-2010 17:52:54
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Last edited by elwood on 08-Jan-2010 at 06:02 PM.

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padrino 
Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 18:15:43
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Hi,

don't know why, never had a notebok, though the idea fascinates me... :)
As SAM is already enough for me as desktop (hey, I lived with an A1200 for a zillion of years ;)), I think it would fit the power demands for a notebook.

That said, I wonder why there never as been a self-made-SAM-notbook, as there have been in the past with classic HW.
Seems that guy...



... is no longer with us.

CU,
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BigBentheAussie 
Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 19:06:15
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A-Eon would have their hands full with the X1000.
I would bet that shortly after the X1000's release, as their flagship product, they will release a lesser spec X500 based on the exact same motherboard, allowing them to order the motherboards in larger quantities at a lower price from the outset. To drive the cost down the X500 would have a single core PPC, maybe less RAM on purchase, and maybe a more affordable graphics card. The nice part is, you could upgrade to an X1000 spec.

Redesigns for a different form factor(say a laptop or a mini-itx board) not only costs money in terms of design, but brings you back to square one in terms of units to purchase.

Honestly, now is not the time to concern ourselves with a custom Amiga laptop or netbook.
Especially as MorphOS on a MacBook and AROS on practically anything are more cost effective and powerful anyway.

I think we've got to sure up the userbase on the desktop before we dare deliver what would likely be an underpowered and bulky laptop. Anyway there never was an Amiga laptop, so get over it.

BTW, I would envision an X2000 coming out when there's a Quad Core available. Still on the same motherboard. I don't think you guys realise what an epic feat it is to have a mobo of such quality. So, stating it again, if they can purchase a lot of mobos at a cheaper price, allowing for various hardware configurations we all win.

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Re: [Poll] AmigaOS notebook, anyone?
Posted on 8-Jan-2010 19:57:03
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@clusteruk
Please take your advertising to an appropriate thread (or buy some banner ad's)?
The creator of this thread specifically asked about interest in an __AmigaOS__ netbook and even repeated that it was about AmigaOS only later on.

Sorry if I sound rude but I am sick and tired of "alternative systems" hijacking threads as they see fit, it is annoying and disrespectful

The scenario you mention OTOH sounds interesting!

Troels

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Posted on 8-Jan-2010 20:03:39
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Yeah, if we could get an PPC => x86 abstraction layer that would be an alternative way to creating an entire Netbook from scratch.

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Posted on 8-Jan-2010 20:04:02
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@elwood

I'm really not laptop person, i don't like the keyboard, mouse keeps jumping around.

I hope there will be one at some point in time, but I don't need one right now.

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Posted on 9-Jan-2010 9:03:58
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@NutsAboutAmiga

I understand. That's why I used the "I'm not interested in a mobile OS4" choice.

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@BigBentheAussie

While you (and there me too) are 100% OT, I just can't resist pointing out that the CPU-prize will only be a small fraction of the price of the whole mobo, so I don't see any point in baseing an x500 on the same board. RAM is a gig a penny these days (well allmost), and GFX-cards likely to be supported by OS4 anytime soon are allready below 50Euro retail, or atleast will be by the time they are fully useable under OS4.

So all in all this x500 would be max. 150Euro cheaper in production and if both systems were sold with similar margins the lower model would be rather unattractive (something similar happened when ACube offered those OCed SAMs).

One could offcourse calculate with different margins, as C= did with the A500 and A2000, but that would only work if the boards are not easily upgradeble.

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