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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 13:23:39
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@opi

It is ok, your reply was alright, but not really answering what I was trying to ask, but luckily for me, and everyone else in the thread here, KIMMOK and someone else managed to give me some answers.

So all in all, thank you for the answers, appreciated, made me look at it in a different light.

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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 13:26:10
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@Oscar

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The FSB on the G5s were as high as 1.3GHz per processor. The G4s were 667Mhz.


Not so correct:

MPC7455 - max. 133 MHz BUS (MPC7455 RISC Microprocessor Hardware Specifications, section 9.1, p. 46)
MPC7447A - max. 167 MHz BUS (MPC7447A RISC Microprocessor Hardware Specifications, section 9.1.1, p. 34)
MPC7448 - max. 200 MHz BUS (MPC7448 RISC Microprocessor Hardware Specifications, section 9.1.1, p. 35)

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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 14:30:22
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@DAX

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concrete possibilities


oxymoron?

it sums up most of your posts though, you do seem to like putting possibilities as facts, just keep a check on it as there are a lot of gullable people reading these rumours as facts.

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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 14:53:24
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@Derfs
err...I say "possibilities" and you say I state as "fact"? Maybe you should check the definition of "possibility" on the dictionary...

Edit:ok I'll save you the effort (from Wikipedia):

Possibility is the condition or fact of being possible. The Latin origins of the word hint at ability. Possibility also refers to something that "could happen", that is not precluded by the facts, but usually not probable. Impossible denotes that something literally cannot happen or be done.

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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 15:42:16
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@Oscar

"The FSB on the G5s were as high as 1.3GHz per processor."

Yes, but it was only FSB. (2x32bit, IIRC)
PA6T would seem to have 2x64bit @ 1Ghz directly to RAM chips. (no bottlenecking memory controllers needed, unlike on G5 systems)

btw. with PA6T 2Ghz would we "have to" consider the FSB to be 2Ghz?


anyway, pretty moot thing while big part of our legacy code would fit running inside PA6T L2 cache @ CPU clock RAM....


Again. Let's see.
/me better keep my hopes down.
(I would be happy with a lot more modest CPU "upgrade", and a price (only) below new G5 prices of the past.)


Update:
If we get the upgrade to dualcore 1,5Ghz+, we again get a lot of new possibilities of running X86 apps in emulation, for occasional need. (Perhaps WinXP would run in P3/600Mhz speeds.....?)

Slightly related, interesting PowerVM: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/software/virtualization/editions/lx86/index.html

Update2:
If more X1000 information and the CPU is released here:
http://www.power.org/events/designcon10
The AOS4 might get quite an attention! About the only commercially supported DESKTOP PowerPC OS and DESKTOP platform.
Again, I only wish.

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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 17:16:03
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@DAX

what a rude way to say that you agree with me. i think you need to look at what oxymoron means next.

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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 17:54:28
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@KimmoK

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If we get the upgrade to dualcore 1,5Ghz+, we again get a lot of new possibilities of running X86 apps in emulation, for occasional need. (Perhaps WinXP would run in P3/600Mhz speeds.....?)


QEMU will probably reach (only) Pentium (I) like performance...

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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 18:00:26
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@Derfs
Aside from the fact that oxymoron such as "clear possibility", "definite possibility" and even concrete possibility are used in magazines articles all the time (and I don't see why can't I use them myself), you said I state things as "facts" while I always speak of "something that could happen and that is not precluded by known facts" = possibilities.

Or maybe saying that "this" or "that" is possible has become something stated as "indisputable fact" all of a sudden?

You seem to have a problem with positive predictions that concerns Hyperion (I've got hunch:I'm sure that if I search your past posts I will find a "couple" of negative predictions on your part! ).

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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 18:41:06
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More speculation...

It could be that whoever buys (bought) PASemi had to take care of PASemi responsibilities towards military.
I bet Apple is not making big wins for PA6T sales to military.
And I suppose military is reluctant on changing once chosen a SoC (and they want to keep their stealth planes on air).

So, perhaps Apple has made a deal with Freescale or someone else that enough of PASemi knowhow is tranferred to that chosen parner to take over military chip manufacturing with the responsibility (as an exhance of technology).

So I predict we'll see that PA6T is in production by someone else. (Freescale, if not then IBM, if not then AMCC)

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Re: X1000 mobo makers found!! (+ PPC on a x86 PCI slot)
Posted on 11-Jan-2010 19:03:11
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@KimmoK

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I bet Apple is not making big wins for PA6T sales to military.


Apple signed a two year agreement of making supply available as part of the purchase.

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Posted on 11-Jan-2010 20:49:21
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@KimmoK

Quote:

KimmoK wrote:
More speculation...

It could be that whoever buys (bought) PASemi had to take care of PASemi responsibilities towards military.
I bet Apple is not making big wins for PA6T sales to military.
And I suppose military is reluctant on changing once chosen a SoC (and they want to keep their stealth planes on air).

So, perhaps Apple has made a deal with Freescale or someone else that enough of PASemi knowhow is tranferred to that chosen parner to take over military chip manufacturing with the responsibility (as an exhance of technology).

So I predict we'll see that PA6T is in production by someone else. (Freescale, if not then IBM, if not then AMCC)


Not Freescale, otherwise there would be an Efika PAST!

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Posted on 11-Jan-2010 22:03:36
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@BigBentheAussie

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This is exactly the reason A-eon/Hyperion said they didn't tell us, so as not to have a thousand Amiga forum posters bother them.


The whole point is that you can make inquiries without even inferring any sort of connection. Besides, they'd probably give the standard "what's an amoeba?" response.

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Anyway, why do that when speculation is much more fun and we're a lazy bunch anyway.


Now that's a completely different issue.

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Posted on 11-Jan-2010 22:05:06
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@BigBentheAussie

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Oh.... alright.... I've sent them an e-mail.


You didn't start it with "Yo peeps" by any chance did you?

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Posted on 11-Jan-2010 22:11:20
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@Smurfen

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Because we are a bunch of impationt people, who like to speculate while waiting for public announcements


The timing is still a bit odd as well. The puzzles were entertaining but normally this would follow with an official announcement and public information.

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@ne_one Quote:
The puzzles were entertaining but normally this would follow with an official announcement and public information.

If this doesn't qualify as "offical announcement and public info" then I don't know what does!
http://a-eon.com/6.html

BTW, they already said they can't announce the CPU yet, due to factors out of their control. Other than that we seem to have a lot of info.

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Posted on 12-Jan-2010 4:45:33
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@ne_one

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ne_one wrote:
@BigBentheAussie

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Oh.... alright.... I've sent them an e-mail.


You didn't start it with "Yo peeps" by any chance did you?

Oi.... You're from Varisys!!!

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Posted on 12-Jan-2010 5:14:09
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@ChrisH

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If this doesn't qualify as "offical announcement and public info" then I don't know what does!


Official... as in press release and website. This is basically a brochure.

The news was pre-emptive for the community - I understand that.

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Posted on 12-Jan-2010 5:17:09
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@BigBentheAussie

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Oi.... You're from Varisys!!!


Heh... Aussies - they can dish it but they can take it too.

It will be interesting to see if they provide any details. If nothing else, it would help explain some of the architectural uncertainties.

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@ne_one

I am not expecting a reply.

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@thread
On their site (err...6.html) they say that the release will be on the 25th aniversary of Amiga but that we won't have to wait for this summer.
With such a statement I woudn't think we're talking about June (as it's the month Summer arrives) so it should be in May at most.
Also I don't think that the promised official web-site will be upped the day they release the X1000 so my guess is that withing 60 days (at most) it should be up.
Let's hope to get 4.1.1 before that happens

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