@kgrach

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Would I get shot if I posted a couple screen grabs or worse banned from the betas?

Not by us, we'll protect you against the Yedi Academy !


Seriously, I would guess it would be greatly appreciated!
But don't break the NDA, we can really (not) wait.

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@kgrach

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Hammer how much do you want to bet that my PPC A1200 can Scan and print better and FASTER than the windows setup you just described.

Could you disclose the time taken (in seconds) to scan in an A4 page size at 24bit color^600 DPI and your PPC A1200's setup..

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Hammer how much do you want to bet that my PPC A1200 can Scan and print better and FASTER than the windows setup you just described.

So you concluded that the Windows is blame just from a limited sample statistics?
Please disclose the specification of the said test PC.

Refer to http://www.advent.co.uk/scanners/fujitsu/comparison.htm as examples of scanning speeds.

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Using the same SCSI scanner and Epson photo printer.

What was the SCSI Interface's brand and SCSI scanner's brand in the said PC?

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Windows can't do TRUE 24 bit printing it only dithers to 24 makes a big dif in the printouts.

Are you claiming that your printer can mix 16 million colors without dithering?

Refer to;
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/graphics/hh/graphics/nt5gpd_68iv.asp

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/graphics/hh/graphics/nt5gpd_77s7.asp

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I know people expect lots of bells and whistles in an OS but 200000 built in applications can't save an OS if the basic foundation is Flawed.

Define flawed...

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@kgrach

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Boardmaster and XCAD are used on my Amiga for the CNC stuff.

XCAD 2000 and 3000 was both reasonably good CAD applications as I recall...

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I once spent over a thousand dollars on a windows program so I could use my PC for the CNC stuff

What was this software called?

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all it did was give me ulcers as it would fly along great until something I don't know what and boom I would get giberish and a messed board.

I don't know your specific setup so can't comment on your PC's interaction issues. It seems you have some data corruption issues e.g. certain very old Realtek drivers have this tendency.

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The software manufacturer suggested I get a more upto date router setup.

What was your router type and setup?

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I explained it worked great with my Amiga and they made a bunch of noise and would not refund my money.

That wouldn't be a good approach since they may not know about the Amiga specifically.

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@Hammer

I am too tired to get into this its freakin Windows.
its not some mystery. back in the early nineties my father had autocad version 12 and I had Xcad using the same document and same plotter I printed it in twenty minutes compared to 150 minutes in windows. 030/25mhz versus 486/100mhz


you can argue all day how its not apples and apples.
here is something that is

Listen I am an Avermedia dealer they make DVR cards same card same specs hardware. On windows you get 60FPS recording in linux you get 100FPS.
the only thing different is the OS yet linux is almost two times faster.

avermedia

here you go argue with avermedia I am going to bed.

oh its a router as in milling machine. Not network router easy mistake

it was a 2100+ Amd on a SOYO platnium dragon using an adaptec SCSI card don't remember the model. The Scanner was an Artec AT12s and the printer was an Epson stylus color 800. becuase that is what I had laying around. I have the printouts somewhere there was noticable artifacting on the windows version and prints were measured something like 2 minutes ten or 12 seconds on the amiga and 2 minutes and 50, 56 seconds on the PC both were set at identical resolutions I think I choose 360 DPI on the scan and 720DPI on the prints.

please this is supposed to be about AOS4.0

start a new post if you want to continue this

Just for you I changed my avatar to an Amiga troll notice the Boing cap and horns looked better before I shrunk it down to 120x120

@tomazkid

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Things never really change, do they?

Note that, Amiga back at that time was able 'use' some of the latest GFX chips** e.g. Cirrus, S3 and etc from X86 PC world, but they didn?t help AOS platform to compete with Wintel platform when likes of DOOM, and Quake/QuakeGL arrived i.e. it promoted upgrade the HW cycle/falling prices/intense competition among the HW vendors.

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@kgrach

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Listen I am an Avermedia dealer they make DVR cards same card same specs hardware. On windows you get 60FPS recording in linux you get 100FPS.

Refer to "http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_66/TuxNET/TuxNET.htm". This is the minimum standard that I expect in any claims?

Should I post tomshardware's Windows 2000 vs Linux/WINEX gaming benchmarks?


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you can argue all day how its not apples and apples.

Quote Me.

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oh its a router as in milling machine. Not network router easy mistake

Less ambiguity would help? More details would also help in your PC connectivity...

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it was a 2100+ Amd on a SOYO platnium dragon using an adaptec SCSI card don't remember the model. T

What was SOYO Platnium Dragon's chipset type? I?m guessing it?s somewhere in VIA KT266/333/400? I'm also guessing Athlon 2100+ is on 266FSB. What was the installed memory?

Note that, VIA KT266/333/400 NB doesn?t permit concurrent memory access by DMA engines i.e. it has to share/interlace with other DMA devices. This is a major difference with the nVidia's nForce class chipset.

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please this is supposed to be about AOS4.0

Well, they cited an issue and I responded to them. Also, it's a response to "I still do not believe that OS4 lacks some vital ingredient which means it cannot compete with MS". One problem, AmigaOS4.0 has to compete with MacOS X 10.3, Lindows 4.0, Mandrake 9.2, OS/2 Warp and 'etc' .

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@kgrach

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avermedia here you go argue with avermedia I am going to bed.

About AVerMedia LX5000 Series VS AVerMedia MP5000 Series...

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For AVerMedia MP5000 Series
VGA Output Resolution: 1024X768
Video Compression: Motion JPEG
Image Resolution: 320X240 or 640X480 pixels
Sensor Input/Relay Output Device: Up to 8 inputs and 6 outputs
Recorded Video Format: DSS

Recorded Audio Format: WAV
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For AVerMedia LX5000 Series

VGA Output Resolution: 1024X768
Video Compression: Motion JPEG
Image Resolution: 320X240 or 640X480 pixels
Sensor Input/Relay Output Device: Up to 8 inputs and 6 outputs
Recorded Video Format: JPEG

Recorded Audio Format: (not support)
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Window?s frame rate may reduce IF there a competing WAV file consumer.

For some reason, on two card deployment they are about the same in either OS platform?

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@tomazkid

Gday too all and yes i agree my ppc1200 kiks the ass of of any pc in scanning and printing also beats my imac and ibook quicker and print quality far better using same printer bjc3000 scanner is scsi on 1200 though not on pc or mac they usb

and to clarify things the pc lasted 2 weeks here bloody microshaft got pi###d of with it and it broke after i threw it out of the window some cards were recovered but rest went in the bin my first and last pc ever

@poweramiga2002


Any parts you don't need that are salvagable? Send em to me!

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poweramiga2002 wrote: and to clarify things the pc lasted 2 weeks here bloody microshaft got pi###d of with it and it broke after i threw it out of the window some cards were recovered but rest went in the bin my first and last pc ever

Hi poweramiga2002,

I'm beginning to see recursion at work everywhere!: "threw windos through windos....".





Please keep in mind,

The power that Amiga really is, shows through, IF you cranked up the power to todays standards (modify the past equipment, and sync it to todays standards.)

i.e.

68070 @ 3.2 GHz w Hyperthreading w 512K data, and 512K instruction L1 cache
128 (256?) bit Denise @ 356 MHz, w 32 bit colour, 8 concurrent blitters
128 (256?) bit Agnus 2 Gig chip 2 Gig Fast (or 1 chip 3 fast)
RAID on motherboard
4 Gigs DDR PC2100
etc. (todays standards stuff)

This would KILL ANY OTHER SETUP (so sorry!NOT!)!!!!!!!

It would boot in <2 seconds*, and if using AOS2.1, would ALMOST be running IN THE CACHE of the CPU!!!!!!!

Frankly, multi-user, and memory protection would be the only two things missing, then.


Amiga is ALL!


I am a fanatic ONLY because it is the BEST EVER produced system!


AOS4.0! Come forth and lay waste to the competition!


* All of the equipment that is initializing would add to the boot time, I know, but the coders of this equipment aren't Amiga savvy! i.e. Generally don't have a clue how to code. (Harsh, I know, but my 2.26 GHz computer spends 30 of 62 seconds waiting for hardware to respond before windross starts its' wretched patchwork of "code".) What I'm saying is, I have 4 CD-ROMs. Why isn't a signal sent to each, to initialize, but not wait for the previous one to have finished its' initialization, before continuing to the next one? (I think that is how it works? Or does it really take a CD-ROM 23 seconds to initialize?)

LOL
As to the argument going on above about the printer/scanner stuff:
I find the entire conversation ludicrous in the least. And Amiga of at least 10 years vintage is whipping the current (within 2 years) PC and Hammer is wondering about setup?

If windows was so great it should have set these things up to a fairly optimal lvl and at the very least give compareable results!

It has been documented over and over and over and over and over and over and over again how badly kludged windows is, how bloated windows is, how MS has to run secret API's to get thier software to run in competative fashion against other software, and so on until half the amazon is cut down to print the all the documentation on.
How the hell can you even consider trying to defend an os that consumes about 150 times mre HD space, on harware that is 8 years more advanced with an OS that is supposedly also 8 years more advanced that STILL gets its butt kicked on such a simple thing as a scan and print function?

And lets not even get into the licensing and TCPA issues!

Sheesh even dos 6 was better than windows, at least THAT worked.

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@Atheist

Gday i fully agree Amiga is by far the best i do have an ibook and imac but neither are remotely as good as my A1200 ppc and i hope my A1 will shine through as well with os4
I still use my A1200 as the main computor as it still outperforms both my macs on the internet
although since yld3 is up and running on my A1 its on par with the A1200
but the A1200 still gets faster d/load speeds using same modem !!!!


ive seen the saying were back but for me we never left being using amiga,s since 1988 every day since

@Hammer

ugg this continues.

okay last posting on this topic I need to work. I am supposed to be dumping all the new AOS4.0 libraries and upgrades to my Amiga One.

okay hammer instead of doing work. I just wasted an hour.
I thought okay maybe I am being unfair. So I went over to my newest machine.
its a few months old.
ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe
CPU: Socket A AMD Athlon XP 2600+ Barton FSB 333
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP-T
FSB: 333
RAM: 2x DIMM Dual Channel DDR333 Mushkin 2x256 DDR333 CAS 2222
IDE: ASUS CDRW 52X24x52 ASUS DVD 8X
Onboard:SATA Raid
Video: ATI 9800 All in Wonder
Notice this is a Matched setup everything is 333 no loss anywhere

printer my trusty Epson Stylus color 800 old but still works great

no time to try to load scanner drivers into windows so I decided to just Print a picture surely this setup should spank the living daylights out of my poor 1993 Amiga 1200.

printed a massive 24 Megabyte scan of Sabrina Online (tm Eric Schwartz )
at 720 DPI plain paper supersmoothing and 3 minutes 56 seconds on my Amiga. picture of printout
transfered the picture via the network to Windows/Mydocs.
clicked on the picture in windows Duh windows did not reconize it becuase it did not have JPG on the end. Funny my amiga knew it was a JPG. renamed it .jpg
it loaded IE figures and printed fast ohh does not look good for our Amiga.
ahh saved in the clutch by IE's inability to print a whole page only one corner was printed.picture of printout
hmm imaging doesn't do JPG's

load Photoshop V7 hit print zip it goes flying printout comes zooming out wait it doesn't look right and the printer is spooling paper onto the desk.
picture of printout

load Paint Shop pro also V7 hit print again the printer zips into action paper comes out in twenty seconds folowed by more paper as the printer continuosly spools paper onto the desk.picture of printout

I give up and go back to more constructive endevors

I did not make this up or rig it in any way. I just tried to do a straight test more out of curiosity then anything else and those pictures tell the whole sad story.

sorry for the size of the pictures just straight snaps out of my sony camera renamed and posted

Kgrach

@kgrach

For printing photographs use graphics publisher youll find no better on any platform fast and easy to use i print all my photoes with my A1200 from my digital camera

@kgrach

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okay last posting on this topic I need to work. I am supposed to be dumping all the new AOS4.0 libraries and upgrades to my Amiga One.

Printing a colour A4 page shouldn't be that hard. Just do it on your free time, there shouldn't be any pressure. One should do the intended employment activities first before doing secondary issues?

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clicked on the picture in windows Duh windows did not reconize it becuase it did not have JPG on the end. Funny my amiga knew it was a JPG. renamed it .jpg

It?s the different file association regime for each of the OS. Either way they both do similar function.

PS; I already know about file association differences between Windows and AmigaOS 3.9's file handling regime.

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it loaded IE figures and printed fast ohh does not look good for our Amiga. ahh saved in the clutch by IE's inability to print a whole page only one corner was printed. picture of printout hmm imaging doesn't do JPG's

Why not use (assuming) WinXP's built-in "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" to print JPG files?

What is your Epson printer driver version?
I?m assuming you have selected "Epson Stylus COLOR 800 ESC/P 2" driver.
What is your Parallel port?s(assuming) operating mode (ECP, DMA+ECP, SPP, EPP 1.7, EPP 1.9)?

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and the printer is spooling paper onto the desk.

My personal Canon i560 and Lexmark Z705 printers (both ink jets) doesn't do that particular meaningless spooling of paper onto the desk. I don't have (major) issues with our office laser printers (HP and Lexmark).

PS; I also use Paint Shop Pro V7(for light work) and Paint Shop Pro V8 (for minor photo touch up). It would seem that Epson has abandoned this printer (i.e. Epson Stylus COLOR 800) some time ago?

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I did not make this up or rig it in any way. I just tried to do a straight test more out of curiosity then anything else and those pictures tell the whole sad story.

So you blame Windows for that? IF that was the majority of the case than Windows should be thrown out of office environment many years ago, sadly this is not the case. I recall, our offices still produces accounting reports..

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kgrach wrote: @Hammer okay hammer instead of doing work. I just wasted an hour.

Taking 1 hour and 15+ minutes of your time to install windos is REALLY wasting time!

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kgrach wrote: picture of printout

A picture is worth a thousand words.

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kgrach wrote: picture of printout picture of printout picture of printout Kgrach

However, these three pictures are worth more than a thousand words each, children, avert your gaze!!!!!!

&#^$* *$(@( $&(@(# !*#U)(.......


AOS4.0! Just above, where does one word end, and the next begin? I'm soooo Confused?!?

@Hammer

pic fax view locked up.

I think it was a case of too big of a file for windows to handle.
the printer normally works fine. ECP

Yes I probaly could have fixed it by reducing the resolution or reducing the size of the picture. Thats what most people do in windows. They bend to the operating system. but that would have violated the test.

Ask people how many times in winXP printing acrobat documents results in lazer printer Neverland. Fix of course by going into printer setting and changing vector to raster and fonts to downloadable and reducing the resolution of the print out.

Windows forgets this setting every two to three day's resulting in the IT department either fixing it again or throwing out a good working printer and getting a new printer that XP likes better.

sorry this is windows, I did not try to break the goo, it simply did it all on its own.

I tried to do a valid random test for you. Windows just broke deal with it.

@kgrach

Refer to my legacy Canon BJC printer test. Link

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@kgrach

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I think it was a case of too big of a file for windows to handle.

I have tested my own 81MB (83,391,691 bytes) JPEG (PSP7/Twain scanned) file with WinXP-SP1?s ?picture and fax viewer? and it works ok. My old Lexmark printer?s setting of 1200x1200 DPI stayed more for than 1 year.

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@Hammer

what was the print dpi