@kgrach

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Something Microsoft handles very poorly as I again proved this afternoon. I could not get Microsoft to install Blotoshop with a slightly scratched disk. It was incapable of pulling the archive off the disk and would just lock up the machine. After RESETING the crap SIX times.

My machine doesn't get 'locked up'(like the one you mentioned) when a scratched disk is inserted and accessed e.g. old Amiga cover CDs, music CDs, broken AROS image burn (mangled CD surface), rented DVDs and PC cover CD/DVDs.

What setup do you have?
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Microsoft keeps building in applications to keep people from noticing that it.

Note that I specifically stated "MacOS X" or" Windows XP" objects not an academic OS model. Please recall Apple's MacOS X's comparable feature sets IF you don't like the word MS.

It's not first time that a company that included a media player in it's OS i.e please recall "AmigaOS 3.1's multiview player.

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Movie players and browsers are APPLICATIONS not OS features.

Did I mention media player in my post?

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I just got home and powered up my Windows machine. I started the browser up, to come here and read the latest. My browser did not go to my home page. It took me to Microsoft's dowload page. There were no updates there that I had to install. There was no reason for it to take me there at all. So, I'm a little late for my AW browsing. But, thank goodness, my machine eventually finished doing everything that Microsoft wanted it to do, and will now allow me to use it again.

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@GregS

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For example I referred to movie maker because even old Amiga editing software was better than it,

You are implying that those Amiga editing software will be included in the AmigaOS 4.0 release? Could you name these candidates?

I do know of Draco and PAR (MPEG2 HW)'s add-on card's non-liner video editing features. I don?t think these software would be suitable since they are tied with the add-on hardware? Perhaps, a version for PPC would be suitable.

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changing what point of reference?

Only IF Hyperion confirms and includes it on the next release, otherwise it's open to likes of ULead VideoStudio 7 (OEM), Cyberlink PowerDirector 2.5 (OEM), MGI VideoWave 4(OEM), Sonic Foundry Vega 4.0, Ulead Media Studio, Adobe Premiere, Pinnacle Studio and ?etc?.

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@kgrach

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Movie players and browsers are APPLICATIONS not OS features.

I'm afraid I have to side with Hammer on this one. Sure, WIndows comes with a ton of stuff, but then most of that is stuff that people have come to expect to get when they buy a computer.

Or are you suggesting that multiview, ibrowse, the lite sample editing tool (I forget the name) and all the datatypes should be removed from OS4 because they're just 'applications' and not OS features?

Let me rephrase this... If multiview and the datatypes (ie the amiga equivalent of the MS Media Player download) was something that you had to download or buy separately (even if the total price for everything was the same), would you prefer this?

@GregS

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I still do not believe that OS4 lacks some vital igrediant which means it cannot compete with MS. I agree Amiga needs further development (which is the point of the OS4 release) but aping Windows is a really bad idea.

Note that, AmigaOS4 will not be just competing with just MS i.e. it will be competing with MacOS X, Lindows 4.0, Mandrake 9.2 and 'etc'. It will also directly compete with it?s direct rival M*rphOS 1.x.

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I would not be here if I thought Windows was any good or had a future, may I ask why you are here,

What happens IF I listed MacOS X's features instead?
It's all started with "I call them mysterious features because no-one is able to single them out". So I listed them.

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@Hammer

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Note that, AmigaOS4 will not be just competing with just MS i.e. it will be competing with MacOS X, Lindows 4.0, Mandrake 9.2 and 'etc'. It will also directly compete with it?s direct rival M*rphOS 1.x.

I seem to recall most updates and info. regarding AmigaOS stating that AmigaOS was not intended to be considered as a serious competitor to major operating systems until AmigaOS 5. When did this change?

If you're going to say that AmigaOS 4 is not going to be a worthwhile competitor to Linux, OS X, and Windows, well Duh! Nobody's going to be surprised by that, AOS4 isn't intended to be. It's intended to be a starting point from which a full-featured alternative operating system can grow.

@Wain

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I seem to recall most updates and info. regarding AmigaOS stating that AmigaOS was not intended to be considered as a serious competitor to major operating systems until AmigaOS 5. When did this change?

It's a response to "I still do not believe that OS4 lacks some vital ingredient which means it cannot compete with MS". No matter how one sugar coats it, it has to compete in the market place. The Amiga brand name, "one Amiga way' and AOS legacy software may give some inelastic (in economic terms) characteristics to the AOS4...

I wouldn't comment on relation to ?serious competitor" coming from "AmigaOS 5" i.e. they have to finish AmigaOS 4.0 first...

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If you're going to say that AmigaOS 4 is not going to be a worthwhile competitor to Linux, OS X, and Windows, well Duh!

Quote me...

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@DoodooHead

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My browser did not go to my home page. It took me to Microsoft's dowload page. There were no updates there that I had to install

On my machine, my automatic updates only comes from a small taskbar notification box (on right hand corner)...

To turn off ?Automatically check for Internet Explorer updates?
1. Double click ?Internet Explorer?.
2. Click on ?tool? on the menu bar
3. Select ?Internet Options? and click it
4. Click on ?Advanced? tab
5. Deselect box (the tick should disappear from box) next to ?Automatically check for Internet Explorer updates? (4th box down).

To turn off the automatic updates (for Windows automatic update).
"click Start, click Control Panel, and then double-click System.
To turn off automatic updates for your computer, select Turn off automatic updating; I want to update my computer manually. " - Quote from MS Windows XP Pro help file(cut and paste)...

PS I don't know your specific Windows setup.

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Hi Benji,

I didn't know that xp pro has SMP support. Thanks for filling me in.


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Hammer wrote: Note that Windows XP Pro supports SMP and Hyper-treading (poorman?s SMP). Only Windows XP Home doesn?t support SMP (but it can be reg hacked to support SMP).

Thanks for telling me about this.

Hyperthreading needs a certain P IV CPU to be able to do this, right?

Now, does an application need to be written to support SMP and/or hyperthreading, or does the OS do what's necessary for it to work?

BTW, I'm using xp pro, and it's running RAID striped,.... I'm not impressed. (2.26 GHz P IV, 533MHz FSB, 1 * 1 Gig DDR PC2100, PCI RAID card, striped 2*40 Gig (80 total) maxtor 7200 rpm (8 meg cache), Ti4600 Nvidia GeForce 4 128 meg)

Is notepad taking 3 seconds to respond when loading a 3 meg file supposed to impress? When I found a ram disk on the net, it wouldn't work because it didn't come with the current visual basic dll (had to hunt for t). Winamp worked the first time I tried, to listen to AmigaWorld Radio, 24 hrs later, it DIDN'T!????

These are the kind of mysteries i'll leave to Ellery Queen, or Sherlock Holmes.


BTW; I see you very often delivering interesting/important info about, well everything HW, and dispensing advice. Major thank you for being around (putting up with) us unusual (dare I say confused?) users.



Hi BrianK,

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BrianK wrote: So how am I using WinXP on a dual 667Mhz machine here at work?

Again, didn't know, thanks for telling me otherwise.


AmigaOne! AOS4.0! Where does it stand? Does it have a place?

@Hammer


Did all that, Long ago ..

Now whats all that hard drive activity going on ?? Why has my Windows Media Player updated itself ? ( I sure as hell disabled that option) How come quite a few of my Audio files no longer work under WMP ??

If you had total control over an o/s would you code something sneaky in there ??

Iirc ... Its this very reason the likes of the Chinese government are looking at alternatives to Microsoft.

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@DoodooHead: Try learning how your OS works. It's easy to turn off what you don't need/want. Sometimes I wonder if amiga users deliberately avoid learning anything about Windows so that they have more to complain about.

My Windows XP setup works and looks exactly how I want (with the exception of click-to-front windows, which I've never liked). I can also keep it running for weeks and there is no memory leakage. The downers of WinXP are, its bloated and the interior (i.e. the api's and libs) are badly designed, and its owned by Microsoft (I'm more anti-Microsoft than anti-Windows, but that's another issue).
It still annoys me when people say windows sucks because it does/doesn't do whatever, but the things they complain about can be rectified if they 'RTFM' (or do as I did, explore the interface and configuration options). Even Amiga users who have never used Windows before say they hate it, and while that is valid to a certain point (the memory overhead is shocking to an amiga user) it's not valid to complain about features that you could easily learn how to disable if you spent 20 minutes exploring the interface. I'm sure you've spent more than 20 minutes discovering all AmigaOS can do, haven't you?

@Atheist

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Hyperthreading needs a certain P IV CPU to be able to do this, right?

BIOS, chipset and processor. You didn't mention your processor core, chipset or your motherboard brand/type.

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Now, does an application need to be written to support SMP and/or hyperthreading, or does the OS do what's necessary for it to work?

Same issues as with SMP but with limitations. Some ideal HT examples is Cinema 4D R8 (~20~30 percent speed boost). On certain cases, it could go backwards when you run Linux/Win applications with HT.

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Is notepad taking 3 seconds to respond when loading a 3 meg file supposed to impress?

Have you tried it with WinXP?s Wordpad?

I did a similar test on an AMD Athlon XP ~2.1Ghz/nForce2 400 Ultra/1GB PC3200 (dual channel mode)/GeforceFX5900PV box and system was still able to respond e.g.
1. Dump a 4MB zip file on WinXP's notepad.
2. Click on task bar, continue on typing, surf the net, clicking on MP3 files and 'etc'.

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@The_Editor

Those instructions doesn't apply for Media Player 8 and 9 btw?

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Now whats all that hard drive activity going on ??

I don't know the specifics about your system.

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Why has my Windows Media Player updated itself ?

Are you referring to "download codecs automatically" feature?

For Windows Media Player 9
1. Click to Media Player 9 icon.
2. Click on "Tools" in menu bar.
3. Click on "Player" tab
4. Deselect "download codecs automatically" tick box.

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( I sure as hell disabled that option) How come quite a few of my Audio files no longer work under WMP ??

Which version of Windows Media Player?

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OK, Maybe someone can answer this annoying question.

When I put a CD into my WinXP box, I often get a requester asking what I want to do, to which I always answer "Take No Action" and "do this every time "

It even pops up with Take No action as the default most of the time now, how the hell can a requester popping up be "No Action", if I want the bleeping thing to do something I will bleeping well tell it.

I know many veteran users at AW will have already seen it (as I have mentioned it before) , but for any new users, this paperclip movie really sums it up:

http://www.amigaoneproductions.co.uk/media/paperclip.mpeg

@AmigaOneProductions

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I know many veteran users at AW will have already seen it (as I have mentioned it before) , but for any new users, this paperclip movie really sums it up:

http://www.amigaoneproductions.co.uk/media/paperclip.mpeg

LMHO, I know just now he feels

Don't suppose you have that in a larger resolution?

@the-elf

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Don't suppose you have that in a larger resolution?

Sorry, no, I did not produce it, what you see is exactly what I received. I just put it on my web as an easy way for forum users to access it.

@AmigaOneProductions

Yes, I know, that's very annoying. I've discovered that you have to click Apply and also OK before changes take effect

@AmigaOneProductions

What type of CDs?

To turn off ?Auto Play? feature (for programs)?
Refer to http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/tips/february/knox1.asp

Second method as the above and for other content types;

1. Open "My Computer".
2. Right button click at the CD/DVD-Drive icon.
3. Select "Properties".
4. Select "Autoplay" tab.
5. Set for every "content type" to "Take No Action".

This has been verified with my WinXP Pro-SP1 setup.

Note that MacOS has it's own version ?Auto Play? (sigh)...
Refer to http://www.cybertechhelp.com/html/tutorials/tutorial.php/id/15

PS This kind of settings can be done better in my POV?

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@ all

Sorry. but don't you guys think this thread is going quite a bit off-topic? The subject is talking
about a beta-release of AOS4 and now you are discussing Windows-problems ... Perhaps it
would be wise to move that particular discussion to another thread?
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SlimJim

@SlimJim

Well, the tread has evolved to feature set comparisons and complaints...

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