@Varthall

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Varthall wrote: If you sort the table by date you'll see that the page is updated almost daily (there are entries every day from 23rd to 28th January 2010), so that seems to suggest some problems with our entries. I'll try to contact the page maintainer about the matter. Varthall

I have already contacted him as well and no response so far. The entries are apparently reviewed and then added manually, so that suggests to me that they were intentionally omitted. Maybe the guy is skeptical about some amiga system being capable of running blender.

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Varthall

I have already contacted him as well and no response so far. The entries are apparently reviewed and then added manually, so that suggests to me that they were intentionally omitted. Maybe the guy is skeptical about some amiga system being capable of running blender.[/quote]

nah the person is obviously an old Atari fan

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@Karlos
>What you are describing are errors in geometry transform for setting up a scene. >That's fine, for rendering you'd use double precision for that if you wanted >perfection in terms of vertex placement and the like.

thats only a example that should show that also when use 32 bit floats the calculation steps are done in 64 bit.

and i think all calculations use more than 1 calculation step before the data is store in 32 bit float.

so 32 bit is ok, but when round every calculation step to 32 bit float, then you get for example when 6 calculation steps are done in a formular before store the value 6 times round error.

ANd when there are some multiplications in term that multiply by 1000

then its important if a calculation step give as temp output correct 1024.551567

or only 1024.552

because in second case polygon is draw 1 pixel left.

It can also happen that the altivec normalize a float value not in best way, so there can happen more errors.

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@$adddam

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$adddam wrote: @Zylesea "At least there is an entry for MorphOS G4/1000 on that page since ages" i havent found that yet, but found this and wtf?: 08:36.95 - Apple Power Macintosh G4 1000MHz - MorphOS 1.4.3 pardon me?:)

That's the one I was referring to. I guess a Pegasos was used, but the name Power Macintosh is there by mistake. I mean G4 desktop PowerPC computers came pretty much "all" from Apple. Not everyone outside noticed Pegasos and Teron.

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@all

The maintainer of the benchmarks' page has answered me, he's eager to add all the various benchmarks made by us but first he'd like to update the reports pages with all the various OSes and Amiga/Amiga clones models, so that he can add the benchmarks more easily. He has registered here as well, so he should start posting soon too. Here's my proposed list of HW and OSes, corrections and additions are welcome:

Hardware:

AmigaOne SE G3 600 MHz
AmigaOne SE G3 800 MHz
AmigaOne XE G4 800 MHz
AmigaOne XE G4 933 MHz
AmigaOne XE G4 1000 MHz
AmigaOne XE G4 1266 MHz
MicroA1 G3 800 MHz
Pegasos I G3 600 MHz
Pegasos II G3 600 MHz
Pegasos II G4 1000 MHz
Efika 5200 MPC5200B 400 MHz
Apple Mac Mini G4 1250 MHz
Apple Mac Mini G4 1330 MHz
Apple Mac Mini G4 1420 MHz
Apple Mac Mini G4 1500 MHz
Sam440ep AMCC 440EP 533 MHz
Sam440ep AMCC 440EP 600 MHz
Sam440ep AMCC 440EP 667 MHz
Sam440ep-flex AMCC 440EP 667 MHz
Sam440ep-flex AMCC 440EP 733 MHz
Sam440ep-flex AMCC 440EP 800 MHz



Operating systems:

AmigaOS 4.1
MorphOS 1.x
MorphOS 2.x



Operating systems - hardware combinations:

AmigaOS 4.1:
AmigaOne SE G3 600 MHz
AmigaOne SE G3 800 MHz
AmigaOne XE G4 800 MHz
AmigaOne XE G4 933 MHz
AmigaOne XE G4 1000 MHz
AmigaOne XE G4 1266 MHz
MicroA1 G3 800 MHz
Pegasos II G3 600 MHz
Pegasos II G4 1000 MHz
Sam440ep AMCC 440EP 533 MHz
Sam440ep AMCC 440EP 600 MHz
Sam440ep AMCC 440EP 667 MHz
Sam440ep-flex AMCC 440EP 667 MHz
Sam440ep-flex AMCC 440EP 733 MHz
Sam440ep-flex AMCC 440EP 800 MHz

MorphOS 1.x:
Pegasos I G3 600 MHz
Pegasos II G3 600 MHz
Pegasos II G4 1000 MHz


MorphOS 2.x:
Pegasos I G3 600 MHz
Pegasos II G3 600 MHz
Pegasos II G4 1000 MHz
Efika 5200 MPC5200B 400 MHz
Apple Mac Mini G4 1250 MHz
Apple Mac Mini G4 1330 MHz
Apple Mac Mini G4 1420 MHz
Apple Mac Mini G4 1500 MHz



BTW can Blender run under AmigaOS 4.0, and if so under BlizzardPPC/CyberstormPPC cards as well?

EDIT: added modifications suggested by Pavlor.
EDIT2: Pegasos II G3 had a 600MHz CPU, suggested by Pavlor.
EDIT3: removed the Open Desktop Workstation G4 1000 MHz., suggested by Chain-Q.

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@Varthall

Pegasos I/II has 750CXe 600 MHz (not 800 MHz). There is no Sam440ep 400 MHz (and SAm-flex has 733 MHz variant).

There are two variants of uA1: with 750FX (512 kB L2 cache) and 750GX (1 MB L2 cache).

Blender needs OS4.1u1, thus it can´t run on CyberStormPPC.

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@hyperion or a-eon guys

Run the benchmark on x1000, for our pleasure, please.

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@pavlor

As you state it requires 4.1U1. Specifically it requires the python and minigl components provided, they in turn depend on recent components.

Also the current release of this version of blender is too memory hungry for classics, need 100Mb or so to start and do a simple render. I just found a way to shave a bit of that but it's still quite demanding.

@Varthal glad to hear you got a response.

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Varthall Pegasos I/II has 750CXe 600 MHz (not 800 MHz). There is no Sam440ep 400 MHz (and SAm-flex has 733 MHz variant).

Ok, I have updated my list. The Sam at 400MHz is mentioned on its wiki page, maybe that's an internal prerelease version?

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There are two variants of uA1: with 750FX (512 kB L2 cache) and 750GX (1 MB L2 cache).

Yes, I remember that, though I don't know if the website's maintainer would go that much into detail when choosing the platforms to put on the list, I have seen that for the Macintosh models he chose to mention only the CPU family (e.g. G4). The amount of L2 cache would make difference in rendering speed, but still that would be maybe better to put in the comments.

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Blender needs OS4.1u1, thus it can´t run on CyberStormPPC.

Yes, broadblues just confirmed this.

I have still a couple of questions regarding the list, namely:
- is the G3 600 MHz version the only Pegasos I produced?
- have been the Micros sold with a G4 module as well? I know they are compatible with the AmigaOne ones.
- does Blender require MorphOs 2.x or it runs on 1.x as well? What about classic machines with MOS, does Blender run on them?


Varthall

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@Varthall

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The Sam at 400MHz is mentioned on its wiki page, maybe that's an internal prerelease version?

ACube offered (probably) the 400 MHz version only to the "industrial" customers (if there were any).

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is the G3 600 MHz version the only Pegasos I produced?

Yes.

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have been the Micros sold with a G4 module as well?

No.

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Hi all!

I'm the maintainer of www.eofw.org.
Thank you for using my blender benchmark site.
The reason why Amiga related (and other) posts wasn't published, is my currently rare spare time.
As Varthall has written (thank you by the way), I've added AmigaOS / MorphOS and the list of possible systems (hardware) so no manual checks are necessary and the posts will be published immediately.
Currently I just use the OS list and the hardware list from this tread here, the operating systems - hardware combinations are fine, but actual aren't required.
Now, it's also possible to choose a Amiga system when you use Linux.

The next step is to review the submitted entry's, but there was a little bug in the submitting form, so all systems that uses less than 1GB of ram are set to zero
What is the typical ram size below 1GB, 512 or 256MB?
Some other entry's have unclear data for example PPC 440EP 733MHz or PowerPC 750 CX...

Thank you again for supporting me and please forgive me my bad English

Jarod

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klx300r wrote: nah the person is obviously an old Atari fan

yes I owned a Atari 1040ST but my first computer was a Commodore VC-20 and it is still waiting in cellar for reactivation....

@Varthall
Ah. that is good news

@Varthall

What is your criteria for a listing?

I have to ask because Micro has G4 (non-Eyetech) CPU cards.
XEs that are overclocked are not even supported by Hyperion and they have constantly said so.

Just an example ^

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Your site is excellent.

And of course...

Welcome!



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What is the typical ram size below 1GB, 512 or 256MB?

Both (micro-ITX models have some limitations: uA1 uses 256 MB (but some users added another 256 MB), SAM440ep 512 MB).


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Some other entry's have unclear data for example PPC 440EP 733MHz or PowerPC 750 CX...

PPC 440EP is CPU from AMCC based on IBM 440 core (something between 603e core and G3 core).
PowerPC 750 CX is PowerPC G3.

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@Varthall

Pegasos II G3 has 600 MHz CPU...

@Jarod3d

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Jarod3d wrote: Hi all! I'm the maintainer of www.eofw.org. Thank you for using my blender benchmark site. The reason why Amiga related (and other) posts wasn't published, is my currently rare spare time. As Varthall has written (thank you by the way), I've added AmigaOS / MorphOS and the list of possible systems (hardware) so no manual checks are necessary and the posts will be published immediately. Currently I just use the OS list and the hardware list from this tread here, the operating systems - hardware combinations are fine, but actual aren't required. Now, it's also possible to choose a Amiga system when you use Linux.

Hi and welcome here

I have seen the updated registration pages, cool

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The next step is to review the submitted entry's, but there was a little bug in the submitting form, so all systems that uses less than 1GB of ram are set to zero What is the typical ram size below 1GB, 512 or 256MB?

The most common >1 GB RAM size is 512 MB, IMHO few have 256 MB. Only the Efika systems have a limit of 128 MB and have that amount by standard.

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Some other entry's have unclear data for example PPC 440EP 733MHz or PowerPC 750 CX...

PPC 440EP 733MHz is a Sam440ep-flex, while a PowerPC 750 CX is a G3 processor which was used on AmigaOne/MicroA1/Pegasos 1 systems.

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Quote: klx300r wrote: nah the person is obviously an old Atari fan yes I owned a Atari 1040ST

Ahaaa, so that explains everything

Varthall

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@Varthall

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PowerPC 750 CX is a G3 processor which was used on AmigaOne/MicroA1/Pegasos 1 systems.

More precise: PowerPC 750CXe was used by Pegasos, Pegasos II G3 and AmigaOne SE. MicroAmigaOne uses 750FX or 750GX (newer versions of G3 CPU with larger L2 cache - 512 kB or 1 MB).

@number6

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number6 wrote: @Varthall What is your criteria for a listing? I have to ask because Micro has G4 (non-Eyetech) CPU cards. XEs that are overclocked are not even supported by Hyperion and they have constantly said so. Just an example ^

I tried to list all the configurations that could be treated as "official". AFAIK MicroA1s have never been sold with G4 cards. 933 MHz G4 A1s on the other hand have been once declared as not-official by Rogue (I remember a post by him back in the days), but still they were sold in this configuration by Soft3 (which later became ACube), using genuine 933 MHz CPU, so no overclocking was involved. 1 and 1.26 GHz models had also CPUs fitted by ACube, and I believe a new guarantee was applied to them. It's a bit of a "grey area" I admit, if all of you think that they shouldn't be treated as official we may ask to remove them.

Varthall

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Varthall Pegasos II G3 has 600 MHz CPU...

Ok, fixed, this will have to be fixed at the webpage as well.

Varthall

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@Varthall

It's your decision as to what constitutes a grey area.

I'll just add that XE's exist running Micro CPU units, G4 were put in a handful of existing Micro boards and "may" have been sold that way, etc.

So..we could categorize by:
(1)as intended to be distributed by the hardware supplier
or
(2)as distributed by the dealers
or
(3)as recommended by Hyperion
or
(4)as modified by the users

Yes..it gets greyer and greyer...

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