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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 4:49:17
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Thanks for the update. _________________ Hate tends to make you look stupid... |
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 4:49:41
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I was reading through what's on the X1000 web site and there seems to be a sentence that says the price is going to be "a little cheaper" than the original Amiga 1000, which was around $1300 (I paid $1295 for mine). And we "won't have to wait till summer". Or did I read it wrong? It's a little cryptic. _________________ X5000 / microA1(OS4.1 FE U2) / CodeBench / Imagine / Blender Lightwave 2019 / Microsoft Visual C++ |
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 4:58:03
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| @ALL How many XMOS XCore's would it take to turn the Amiga X1000 into a suppercomputer?
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 6:01:30
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I guess it depends on how many you can eat in a sitting.
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 6:24:26
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| @thinkchip
Thank god there are some ppl here that can read & understand what was said. _________________ Hate tends to make you look stupid... |
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 7:28:48
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Yes, it has been said that it will be priced under the original A1000. However I've seen a number of different figures for the original A1000 cost, I guess the exact cost depends on where you got it from, but if you could get them for $1295 as soon as they were released, then I've no idea why some people estimate the cost of the X1000 at $2000 or so. I guess some people are just like that... |
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 8:01:29
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I guess it depends on how many you can eat in a sitting.
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 9:15:42
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| @Trevor Thanks for the update, looking forward to get all the details and see it in action.
Some people will probably doubt anything you say, I blame the past Amiga history and (other companies) broken promises for that. They will be convinced only when they see a product shipping and there's nothing to do about that.
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 9:41:37
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Hmmm, what would you put in the "garage" underneath? A pizza?
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 9:42:59
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but if you could get them for $1295 as soon as they were released, then I've no idea why some people estimate the cost of the X1000 at $2000 or so. |
Quite possibly because A-Eon is a UK company, and thus the statement might very well refer to UK pricing.
And the A1000 was considerably more than the equivalent of $1295 when introduced into the UK --- it apparently cost between 1500 and 1700 British Pound, whereas $1295 was roughly 900 Pound. The UK A1000 was also different in that it output PAL (instead of NTSC), was built in Germany (instead of the US), and supported the EHB mode.
Both back then and today, 1500 pound (picked for argument's sake) is about $2,150.
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 9:50:11
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It's really difficult to estimate the starting prices for the A1000 - here in Germany the first prices for the A1000 were somewhere in the region of 4000 D-Mark - which corresponded to ~1500$. _________________ X1000|II/G4|440ep|2000/060|2000/040|1000 |
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 9:55:28
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| @umisef Problem is, they said it will cost less than the original A1000 so even in your case it's just the wet dream of naysayers we're talking about.
And that's the whole point, there is people here who's greatest dream would be for the X-1000 not to ever exist, simply because they were biased toward other camps (or companies) in the past months and just can't accept that Hyperion got exclusive rights to AmigaOS past and ownership of its future.
Relax guys, Amiga is back and it's gonna be fun.
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 10:13:48
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I strongly suspect it's going to be more than $1295, for a very simple reason: market segmentation. They have said quite a few times that the Sam440 is going to be the low end machine and the X1000 the high end one. I just checked and amigakit is selling complete Sam440 Flex systems (ie inside a case including drives, same as the X1000 is supposed to be) for just shy of $1000. If a-eon sells the X1000 for just $300 more than that, there will be no reason to buy a Flex (anyone who can save $1000 can hold out for another month or two and get the dual core GHz G3+ rather than the 600MHz G2). My guess is that the cheapest one will be able to buy an X1000 for will be about $1750.
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 10:17:39
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Eh ??? 4000DM is 2000Euro or about 2700$ .......
See the whole "cheaper than the A1000" without any reference point is just a nice way of saying somthing without saying anything ... _________________ - We don't need good ideas, we haven't run out on bad ones yet - blame Canada |
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 10:23:06
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I had no idea that the A1000 cost nearly twice as much in the UK as it did in the US. Unfortunately they didn't tell us which country's pricing they meant, in which case for now we'll just have to accept that it could cost anywhere between $1200 and $2200 US. |
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 11:59:03
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Look, A-EON hasn't even had a website for 60 days yet. You really think they are going to come up with a motherboard in another 4 months? |
Hmmm! I was going to ignore your post but I thought I make one last attempt to put your mind at ease.
1. We already have a motherboard with chosen CPU. Orders are already in place for a significant quantities of the CPU. (far in excess of 200)
2. Hyperion have the board and are currently porting OS4 to it. Good progress is being made. I'm hoping for an official announcement soon.
3. The website is in the process of being updated, I also expected it to be up by now but to be honest it's not a priority as most of the time, effort (and money) is going into the X1000 hardware development/testing and production.
4. I also expect a joint Hyperion/A-Eon announcement soon. (I expected it to be announced earlier but see 3. above)
As an Amiga enthusiast and fully paid up member of the Amiga community I have also suffered the many disappointments and false dawns. However, I decided to try to do something about it by helping to fund a new high spec Amiga computer. If these answers do not help, then there is nothing more I can say.
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 12:03:22
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If the new X1000 doesn't cost more than $1300,then sign me up for 2.
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I had no idea that the A1000 cost nearly twice as much in the UK as it did in the US. Unfortunately they didn't tell us which country's pricing they meant, in which case for now we'll just have to accept that it could cost anywhere between $1200 and $2200 US. |
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 12:25:24
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In year 1985 4000 DM where around 1500 US-$ - times and exchange rates change, y'know Even the 2000's simple approach 2 DM = 1 ¤ isn't correct anymore... _________________ X1000|II/G4|440ep|2000/060|2000/040|1000 |
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 12:28:18
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From TrevorDick's post, we may have some hope of a system with a 'more affordable' price tag.
From most of the posts I've ever read defending the price of the SAM440 boards, the economy of scale is the primary reason given for justifying it.
If A-Eon have _already_ orders in place for 'significant quantities' 'far in excess of 200 CPUs', is it possible we may benefit from this elusive economy of scale?
Also, an interesting question, do A-EON already have a customer(s) (or perhaps their partners have a customer(s)) already ordering the board? Is the Amiga community the only market being targeted here? It would seem possibly that it is not. This may go some way to explaining other pertinent questions posed since the beginning of the 'What is X?' campaign.
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Re: x1000 is Vaporware Posted on 14-Feb-2010 14:12:30
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If you add monitor, extra disk drive, and memory expansion it came to over $1900. You couldn't use the Amiga without an Amiga monitor at the time. The memory expansion was necessary to do anything with it. So are we talking about a complete Amiga system or just the computer? _________________ X5000 / microA1(OS4.1 FE U2) / CodeBench / Imagine / Blender Lightwave 2019 / Microsoft Visual C++ |
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