@cha05e90

I do know .....


But ......

At 2000Euro the X1000 would still be cheaper than the A1000 was in 1985 IN GERMANY ..... one might even go one step further and add infaltion and suddenly "cheaper than the A1000 in 1985" can mean anything up to 4000Euro

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@Kronos

I'm PRETTY sure that it will cost less than 4000euros. At that price everyone knows that no one will buy it. Even hyperion and Aeon.
I'm thinking more of about 10-15k NOK.(about 1000-1500GBP)

If it will cost 4k i will instead supercharge my BMW.

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@TrevorDick

Just to keep the flavor of this thread going.....

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Hmmm! I was going to ignore your post but I thought I make one last attempt to put your mind at ease. 1. We already have a motherboard with chosen CPU. Orders are already in place for a significant quantities of the CPU. (far in excess of 200) As an Amiga enthusiast and fully paid up member of the Amiga community I have also suffered the many disappointments and false dawns. However, I decided to try to do something about it by helping to fund a new high spec Amiga computer. If these answers do not help, then there is nothing more I can say. TrevorD

But,but,but,but,etc..

@Kronos

Correct. This is why I don't care about sayings like "cheaper than a A1000". I will sit and wait patiently (or, better: go and live my normal life) until they tell us the real price. Anything else is irrelevant (at least to me...).

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@TrevorDick

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If these answers do not help, then there is nothing more I can say.

+1

@Antique

Well they could offer two or three versions.

I would hope 1499 USD is base model.

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@fatman2021

We'll just assume 1 MIP = 1 MFLOP (a bad assumption, but the XCore doesn't do floating point), in which case you'd need ~5827 XMOS XS1-L1 chips to equal the peak performance of the world's fastest supercomputer. In practice, it would take many, many, many more indeed.

For comparison, ~191 XMOS XS1-L1 chips equal the performance of an Intel Core i7, not taking into account differences in architecture.

Keep in mind that the XCore isn't a general purpose processor. It's designed for real-time (predictable) I/O. We'll use it to drive things like cute, little LCD panels and Amiga-compatible parallel ports for "vintage" samplers. Actually, that second one is a good idea. I hope someone does it. (EDIT: Or maybe a USB-to-Amiga-parallel cable would be a better idea.)

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@Trev,

I had a different idea. most monitor these days have at least 2 Inputs with picture in picture available. How about a 3 way KVM so you could switch between up to 3 computers and select which one you want as main screen and which one for PIP.

Consider a PC, a Natami and your X1000 and being able to switch on the fly leaving other computers to do what you want in the background.

Chris

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@QuikSanz

Most monitors that double as televisions have PIP. Monitors built solely for use on a computer don't usually have that feature. Side note: In all the years I've owned televisions with PIP, I've never once used the feature.

Why and how would you build that using the XCore, though? If PIP control is standardized (is it part of DDC/CI?), you could build PIP selection into the KVM switch. In fact, there are probably already KVM switches on the market with this feature built in. A quick Google search confirms that. EDIT: There are also KVM's with video splitters built in, so your monitor wouldn't need to support PIP natively.

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@Trev,

Interesting, but my dell has 2 inputs and one can be used for PIP.

Is this switch you found 3 way?

Can it be switched from the Keyboard?

Chris

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Wow, it seems finally people in this thread notice Trevor is around and said a ton of stuff.

There is hope for Amigaworld...

@steril606

Isn't the express purpose of Amigaworld.net trash talking the people responsible? It wouldn't be half as fun if the people behind Hyperion and A-Eon--Rogue, TrevorDick, et al-- weren't here to stoke the flames.

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@Trev

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It wouldn't be half as fun if the people behind Hyperion and A-Eon--Rogue, TrevorDick, et al-- weren't here to stoke the flames.

Eh! -- goes to get more coal

TrevorD

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@Trev


Well, it's Amigaworld, what did I expect.. Seems, that's part of the "charme" here...

It's kind of weird, people are so angry and mistrusting already.

Barely over a month ago Trevor was like any other Harry here, "one of our own" so to say, and now that he has taken some responsibility up his sleeve, people are anyway shaping up the weirdest "conspiracy theories" about him and that fancy new machine he helped developing.

Yet, he is still one of us Harries, posting here... So give him some trust.

I have the feeling you won't get someone more part the scene building a new Amiga anytime soon..
Think about it, it's literally "one of us" here, you are throwing accusations at, not just "that anonymous company A-EON".


I mean, Trevor has around 1700 posts here on AW.net, he has been around since I started reading AW.net, and it's not like he is exactly holding his tongue here, like some people want to make you believe. It's not like he is somehow that mysterious black guy from "X Files" in the trenchcoat that Moulder always meets in murky underground car lots, where you never get to know the name.

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@steril606
@TrevorDick

It's a bit old now, but it's still fun (requires Flash): http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/magical+trevor/

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@steril606

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it's not like he is somehow that mysterious black guy from "X Files" in the trenchcoat that Moulder always meets in murky underground car lots

Aw! I want be mysterious! Can I at least get Scully?

@Trev

Yes, my daughter introduced me to magical Trevor a while back! The same daughter who wrote the music and additional sound track for the Amiga OS4 animation by Danny & Stephen Fellner on the official OS4.1 CD. Keep it in the family I say!

TrevorD

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@TrevorDick

(See, you could have called Xena Scully instead. If there's another chip on the board called Gabrielle, however, you'll have provided the Amiga community with fodder for years of speculation over the relationship between the two chips.)

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@Trev

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years of speculation over the relationship between the two chips

It's purely a platonic relationship, honest.

TrevorD

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@DAX

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Problem is, they said it will cost less than the original A1000 so even in your case it's just the wet dream of naysayers we're talking about.

Nonsense!

The original A1000 sold for 1500 pounds. So if the X1000 sells for 1400 pounds, that's less. Yes, it will translate to around US$2,000, but that's not A-Eon's problem, now is it? What with A-Eon being a UK company, and thus justifiably seeing the world from a UK-centric view.

As someone pointed out, the A1000 also sold for 4000DM, which *AT THE TIME* was around $1500 (I have checked neither number myself). 4000DM is very close to 2000E, which is about US$2,700 today. And yet, a German company selling an X1000 for 1950 Euro could legitimately claim that it is cheaper than the A1000 was at its introduction.


I can understand why everybody *wants* to think of this in terms of the US price. But there is no more justification to consider that "cheaper than an A1000" statement in a US context than, say, in a Mexican or Italian context. And while I have no idea what the introductory price for an A1000 was in either of those countries, I know for sure that demanding that price to be beaten by the X1000 would be absurd, because due to the high inflation in those countries, their currencies devalued dramatically since 1985 (and, in fact, both countries have replaced their currencies with new ones).
And well you might say "that's different, the US did not suffer very high levels of inflation" --- but seeing as the PAL A1000 was a German product, and the US$ has lost almost half its value against the Deutschmark (and its successor) since 1985, the difference is merely one of quantity, not of quality.

@Trev

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in which case you'd need ~5827 XMOS XS1-L1 chips to equal the peak performance of the world's fastest supercomputer

Uhm, you are missing a whole bunch of zeroes there.

The Jaguar has a peak performance of 2.3 Petaflops, which is 2,300,000 gigaflops. Divide by 0.4 hypothetical giga-flops (adopting the "1 mflop per mips" argument for a second), and you get a little over 5,000,000 processors.

Which makes sense, given that you say

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For comparison, ~191 XMOS XS1-L1 chips equal the performance of an Intel Core i7

(could be argued, but hey, who cares), and the Jaguar has more than 200,000 cores, so a core count comparable to more than 50,000 i7 processors. So taking a rough "200 XS1-L1 per i7, 50,000 i7 equivalents", you end up with 10,000,000.


(And all of that agrees to ignore the lack of floating point, meaningful ram amounts, or even an external bus --- if 10 million XMOS chips would somehow come even close to the top of the TOP500 in reality, you would see such machines being built in a heartbeat).

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