@trans

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Tell that to Red Hat.

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Sure, Hyperion should use the Red Hat business model of supplying AmigaOS for large enterprises and then have those enterprises pay Hyperion for services. I mean, an Amiga in the enterprise space has a great chance, and has hardly any competition does it. Linux practically runs the web, so obviously Amiga has a big chance there, especially if it was open sourced like Linux.
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Plenty of money can be made in this arena, not by selling the OS, b/c an open source OS garners thousands of developers, a work force that cannot be matched.

Something like 3 quarters of open source development effort is paid for by industry!!! So we'll fund AmigaOS development of an OS for free..... or, wait, did you say by ring-tones and apps!! I know just where I can get a snowman maker or tip calculator. It is not like anyone has tried that before. Open source is not the answer to everything, AROS is open source and free but obviously not taking over the world any time soon. AROS is not even in the mobile space, despite the 1000s of open source developers you seem to think are out there.

I agree that you do need to create a market for any of these things to have a chance, but the market would have to cater for third parties. Putting that aside for a moment, how would Hyperion then make any money to fund the development of the OS themselves? You're effectively telling them they should not be in the OS business, chuck it all in, and should go open source.... Without a sophisticated OS (that can only be created by investment) and an installed base you cannot create a market for anyone to make money in. Hyperion are pouring their time and money into modernising the AmigaOS and providing more up to date hardware, and they should be rewarded for their efforts. It is up to third parties to further monetise the Amiga platform by providing software for an expanding user base. If you get AROS users up to a sizeable number and have them be prepared to pay for software you'll see a flock of programmers coming to that platform, just as they did the iPhone. The same goes for any Amiga platform. If you want good software you've got to be prepared to pay for it, in order to attract developers and polished applications. There is only so much that will be done for the love of the platform.

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Tell that to Red Hat.

I didn't say it was *impossible* to make money on open source, I just said it was very hard. There aren't many non-hardware companies that make much money off open source. (Ubuntu/Canonical is trying to be one of them, but even they have a hard time + a multi-million-pound backer.)

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Standards keep things orbiting a common center.

Fragmentation would likely mean we *wouldn't* have common standards. I'm pretty sure it'd be worse than Linux (which has Linus as the final arbiter), and that is bad enough.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree though, since this is entirely hypothetical, and is very unlikely to happen.

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@trans

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actually wanted to make money, they would open source their OS code

LOL! How are they going to make money by offering the source for free?

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and work together to merge the three systems.

Oh yeah! Who would pay them (Hyperion) to work on free source code?

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plenty of money could be made in selling value added packages.

Who'd want to pay for an open sourced OS? And for a free OS in this sense who'd want to pay for packages? Some of the free stuff in the Linux world puts the payed software on OS4 to shame.

In any case this is moot as Hyperion don't have any rights AFAIK to open source any OS4 code. The code shall remain an enigma and will not be "trolloped" around. Only the special ones who are chosen will see the awesome words of the source with their very eyes. A glimse of heaven.

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they would open source their OS code and work together to merge the three systems

"Colossal" is a good word to describe the effort needed to make this happen. How do you "merge" three operating systems that were developed over several years by separate and independent teams? And that's not just a technical issue. Do you suppose the proponents of the three solutions would simply agree on one way forward, just like that?

Oh and btw: "Open Source" does not equal "Magical Solution to the Progress of Every Piece of Software on Earth".

@Hypex

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LOL! How are they going to make money by offering the source for free?

Offer it only on mail order DVD, and charge 100 bucks for postage and packing

@trans

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Know what the real problem is? The community is dividedt between three different OSes: AROS, Amiga OS, and MorphOS.

Four really, you still have the AOS 68K (native or emulated) besides the AROS/MOS/OS4 groups.

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If the people behind Amiga OS and MorphOS really had good marketing sense and actually wanted to make money, they would open source their OS code and work together to merge the three systems. Then we would have a unified front and plenty of money could be made in selling value added packages.

AI still owns AOS, I highly doubt they would let that be released without being paid some extremely high price. The biggest issue really between the three is they are a OS designed for the 1990s (if not late 1980s). What the three groups need to do (and it will never happen) is to white paper a new jointly controlled OS and build a new OS from the base up to meet requirements end users now take for granted.

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>Why can't AROS catch on?

The problem with many open source projects is that they are so caught-up with porting their code to different platforms that they (1) fail to spend time enhancing the existing OS, and (2) fail to code additional applications that make the OS more usable. If you spread into too many areas, then you're spread too thin. In the technology industry with the high level of competition for time and money, results and progress are found by focusing efforts.

So IMO, AROS should stick to the x86 code base and drop all other platforms in order to focus on getting AROS-x86 to v1.0, and to develop applications for it. I also think it needs a company to sponsor and parent it.

After 10 years it's hard to believe that the x86 base is not yet at v1.0.

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AROS should stick to the x86 code base and drop all other platforms in order to focus on getting AROS-x86 to v1.0

Without m68k and ppc platforms, AROS will never be properly tested.
And it will never be compatible.

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After 10 years it's hard to believe that the x86 base is not yet at v1.0.

AROS is incompatible because it is developed without any testing of existing software.

AROS is incompatible because it is just sticked to x86.

Amiga OS clone which is perhaps twice as fast with the fastest PC,
but is incompatible is obsolete and redundant.

Actually, AROS rocks, no schedule and rocking !

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AI still owns AOS

Do they really? What about the ESCOM transfer? That is still very unclear, actually.

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Forgive the blatant advert, there is a news item coming but this is relevant as to why Aros IS catching on.

iMica Aros starter pack for £149, or 169 euros.

Aros machines can be built at a very low cost and then upgraded to suit the user.

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Oh yeah! Who would pay them (Hyperion) to work on free source code?

Who's paying the thousand of developers working on free open source code ?

Do you really think current OS4 sales (5000 a year to be optimistic) is what's paying them ?

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AI still owns AOS

According to the September 30 Agreement AI owns "The Software"...

@clusteruk

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iMica Aros starter pack for £149, or 169 euros.

For my machine to MorphOS, mac mini 1.3 GHz G4, 512 MB RAM Radeon 9200 I have given only 90 Euro.

For 90 euro I got 50% faster processor, three times faster graphics card.

MorphOS on my mac mini 1.3 GHz G4 has the original MUI and Cybergraphix.

I do not pay twice as much for this junk just because it is not for ppc.

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phase5fan wrote: For my machine to MorphOS, mac mini 1.3 GHz G4, 512 MB RAM Radeon 9200 I have given only 90 Euro. For 90 euro I got 50% faster processor, three times faster graphics card. MorphOS on my mac mini 1.3 GHz G4 has the original MUI and Cybergraphix. I do not pay twice as much for this junk just because it is not for ppc.

Speed wise I believe 1.6ghz is faster than 1.3ghz.
You cannot compare a 4-5 year old second hand computer value to a new item.
And you forget the 100-150 license fee for Morphos.

Enjoy your MorphOS machine it is a nice setup, but why is it people get more defensive the more Aros improves.

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For 90 euro I got 50% faster processor, three times faster graphics card.

Sorry, G4 is not that fast. It is even slower in some cases...

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Enjoy your MorphOS machine it is a nice setup, but why is it people get more defensive the more Aros improves.

This is something i can't understand either. I like all the Amiga flavours,and i try to follow the development of all 3.

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You have to add the price of MorphOS into the equation. 90EUR+150EUR=240EUR, and that is for a used computer a few years of age, if you are lucky enough to get it as cheap as 90EUR, that is.

That makes the iMica a lot cheaper, since AROS does not cost anything. And you get a brand new computer.

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Enjoy your MorphOS machine it is a nice setup, but why is it people get more defensive the more Aros improves.

Hmm..could it be fear of the ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHTNgJftbLA&feature=related

That's rockin' if you ask me.

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I must look into Aros, as I have a Acer aspire One, and I believe it was recently reported to fully work on that notebook now. I think Aros is pretty cool it needs a few more developers or more time to progress to main stream where it could say compete ageist linux.

but to all envoled in the project, keep up the good work, as I think if AmigaOS4 fails or goes wrong in someway, Aros will be amiga last hope to continue.

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