@BigBentheAussie

Very interesting and useful list... Are you planning on putting it on a webpage somewhere?

As a returning ex-Amiga user, for now using AROS and classic via UAE, but intending to get OS4, I can tell you the confusion of what works where is quite annoying :) Especially since most of what I know about Amiga apps is long outdated.

It'd be great to have a wiki or something with a list like that as the main page, and links the various versions and possibly more info.

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So how does a JIT decide how many instructions to cache? Is speed calculated by the JIT before the it runs properly?

I've never written a JIT myself, but I imagine:

An arbitrarily large block of 68k instructions would be chosen. The size would probably be chosen by trial & error to find the optimum performance. I don't think the size would vary according to the machine's speed - if you wanted to speed-limit the generated code, then you'd probably insert some speed-limiting code into the generated code at regular intervals (and other appropriate places like jumps).

Note that you need to handle inter-block jumps (between blocks) different from intra-block jumps (inside one block). So you'd probably choose some power-of-2 size to make it easy/fast to calculate where blocks start/end (and to then search for such blocks in the cache).

(Although there is surely no rule which says a JIT would *have* to be written like this, and I'm sure you can find some really strange/clever techniques used for certain JITs, especially those used on low-powered hardware like the GP2X (where I recall reading of variable-sized blocks).)

(Also, emulating a 68000, which has no instruction cache, will be MUCH harder to do correctly for self-modifying code, since the code could try to modify itself at anytime without warning. An MMU would probably come in handy in those cases.)

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Add the following to AROS list:

Mailing: Yam, Simplemail
Instant messanger: SabreMSN
Text Editing: NoWinEd, Aros Editor, Anotate, Vim

Painting: LunaPaint, Graf-X
Music Creation: Milkytracker, ProTrekkr

In the apps front AROS has and interesting evolution in the past 3 years, but one has to admit that there's a lot of ground to cover.

As for the rest of the thread, I never thought it got this far, but seems that AROS latest efforts seem to put it in a more serious and respectable option. Truth has to be said that even with the lack of resources of AROS - it has made it this far, and right now seems to have a more interesting future ahead then OS4 or MorphOS. But that's my MHO...

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@ChrisH

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(Also, emulating a 68000, which has no instruction cache, will be MUCH harder to do correctly for self-modifying code, since the code could try to modify itself at anytime without warning. An MMU would probably come in handy in those cases.)

You're right. The simple/obvious MMU trick for this is to keep a copy of the original code in memory and write protect it, so you get a page fault if/when the original code is attempted written to.

Then you emulate the write and either mark any JIT'ed code around that areas as "dirty" or re-generate it, and flush the cache. Alternatively you might want to mark blocks like that "emulate only" and never JIT them again once you've seen that a piece of code is self-modifying, since the page fault + re-generate steps might easily end up more expensive than just plain emulating the instructions if the modifications are done frequently.

Protecting against self-modification without an MMU is messy. You can do a lot of analysis to determine whether or not self modification can be excluded completely in some cases, and you can guess that people follow sane patterns in a lot of cases, but ultimately you won't avoid it entirely without adding bounds checking to a significant number of memory writes, which of course can come at a high cost.

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@BigBentheAussie

btw. I have planned to build a little bit similar list.
But my list would have a lot of more information.

Now, after I got fond of that simple list, I know that I must have ways to filter out extra info when needed.

A little bit like intuitionbase.com system, but with more output modes. (or something)
( http://www.intuitionbase.com/ossoftware.php )

WineHQ has also interesting system... http://appdb.winehq.org/

And I would prefer less graphical output than http://www.lemonamiga.com/?mainurl=http%3A//www.lemonamiga.com/games/


Hmmm: http://aadb.amiga.me/

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Application Type  |AmigaOS3(68k)       |AmigaOS4(PPC)        |MorphOS(PPC)        |AROS(x86/PPC/ARM?)  
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Word-processing   |AmigaWriter,WW      |AbiWord,CinnamonWrite|                    |Cinnamon Writer     
Spreadsheets      |Turbocalc,Ignition? |Gnumeric             |                    |Ignition            
Presentations     |Hollywood*          |PointRider,Hollywood*|Hollywood*          |Hollywood*          
Browsing          |IBrowse             |OWB,IBrowse          |OWB,IBrowse         |OWB                 
E-mailing         |SimpleMail,YAM      |SimpleMail,YAM,      |SimpleMail,YAM      |Yam, Simplemail
                  |                    |Sylpheed,Claws       |                    |                    
Instant Messaging |                    |Epistula,Sabre       |PolynetNG           |Sabre                    
Databases         |MUIbase             |MUIBase              |MUIBase             |SDB,MUIBase         
Text Editing      |NoWinED,CygnusED    |NoWinED,Notepad      |MorphOS Ed,NoWinED  |NoWinEd, Aros Editor,             
                  |GoldED              |Anotate              |                    |Anotate, Vim
C/C++ IDE         |Cubic IDE*          |CodeBench            |Cubic IDE*          |Murks ?             
Painting          |TVPaint,PPaint      |GIMP                 |Sketch              |LunaPaint           
                  |FxPaint,Photogenetic|                     |                    |                    
Printing          |TurboPrint          |(Native drivers)     |TurboPrint          |                    
3D Rendering      |CINEMA 4D,Lightwave |Blender              |Blender             |                    
                  |Real3D              |                     |                    |                    
File Management   |DOpus,Magellan      |DOpus,Filer,AmiDisk  |DOpus               |DOpus               
                  |DiskMaster,Filemaste|Diskmasker           |                    |                    
Playing Audio     |AmiNetRadio,AmigaAmp|TuneNet,SimplePlay   |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer             
Playing Video     |Frogger,AMP2        |DvPlayer,MPLayer     |Mplayer             |Mplayer             
Streaming Audio   |AmiNetRadio         |TuneNet              |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |                    
Streaming Video   |                    |Mplayer              |Mplayer             |                    
Playing DVD       |                    |DvPlayer             |Mplayer             |Mplayer             
Editing Audio     |Samplitude          |HD-Rec,AmiSounded    |HD-Rec              |                    
Editing Video     |                    |Blender              |                    |                    
Music Creation    |Digibooster,OctaMed |HD-Rec,Rockbeat      |HD-Rec              |Milkytracker, ProTrekkr
                  |Protacker,SoundTrake|Milkytracker,Protrack|                    |                    
Sound Sampling    |Samplitude          |HD-Rec               |HD-Rec              |                    
CD/DVD burn/rip   |FryingPan,MakeCD    |FryingPan,AmiDVD     |FryingPan           |FryingPan           
Torrents          |                    |CTorrent,Transmission|MLDonkey,Beehive    |                    
Youtube           |                    |GetVideo,Tubexx,Gnash|OWB,getvideo        |                    
PDF Viewing       |APDF                |AmiPDF               |APDF                |ArosPDF             
DTP               |Pagestream*         |Pagestream*          |Pagestream*         |?                   
FTP               |AmFTP               |Pftp,AmiFTP          |                    |MarranoFTP          
IRC               |Wookiechat,AmiIRC   |Wookiechat           |Wookiechat          |Wookiechat          
Image viewing     |PicShow,CyberView   |WarpView,PicShow     |ShowGirls           |LookHere            
Photo retouching  |ImageFX,TVPaint     |WarpView,Gimp        |ShowGirls           |         

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@ChrisH

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Note that you need to handle inter-block jumps (between blocks) different from intra-block jumps (inside one block).

The code can also jump in middle of another instruction. I have seen such quite clever code generated by SAS/C.

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(Also, emulating a 68000, which has no instruction cache, will be MUCH harder to do correctly for self-modifying code, since the code could try to modify itself at anytime without warning. An MMU would probably come in handy in those cases.)

Self modifying code would not work on real 68020-68060 either. It requires cache flush which is detected by the OS anyway.

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@BigBentheAussie

That's becoming a really useful list.

I know that fishy_fis is starting on an AROS port of Blender, although it's a big project so won't happen any time soon. Printing support, including CUPS, is also being worked on, but with the same caveat about time-scales. The open-source ReAction implementation and improved 68k emulation may help too. No X11 or QT yet, but they'd be good for 'emergency cover' for apps some day.

HD-Rec seems like a useful addition to close the gap but I don't know anything about it. Is this is a good piece of software? Who develops AmiNetRadio and is there any chance of a port?

Chris

@NutsAboutAmiga

That's the OS4 list complete!

I know that the AROS port of MPlayer is not idea - does that explain the missing streaming capabilities?

Chris

@BigBentheAussie

AmigaOS4.x additions:

Wordprocessing: Cinnamon Writer.
Video editing: maybe FFMpeg/GUI should be added - I suppose for MorphOS as well.
Browsing: AWebPPC
IM: Pidgin (Cygnix)
Database: maybe SQLManager (-> only managment of DB's).
Text Edit: Annotate
File Management: Filer, AmiDisk
Audio: AmigaAMP
Playing video: of course MPlayer as well
Editing Audio: AmiSoundEd
Youtube: Gnash

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@clebin

Yes we are covered, but I don't think the list is complete yet.

Sorry I don't know the status of AROS stuff, I know TCP/IP is new to AROS maybe its not added yet.

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@cha05e90

Nuts about amiga, nice comparison table

Overall these additions yes, also nice

However, even bigger here.

I personally, even if AROS was to be as big as Linux, cant see myself ever leaving Amiga OS platform, as in the Original OS, that started it all, because AROS has many similarities yes, But it just does not feel the same in useage for me.

However, that doesnt stop me from having an AROS box around just in case I feel like trying a different OS on a particular night after work.

hehehehehe

Again, my useage as follows at the moment :

Amiga OS 4.x = 94%
AROS = 3%
Linux Debain / Ubuntu Ultimate Edition = 3%
MorphOS = every once in a while
Mac OS = When I visit my Uncle (Family Member)
Windoze = Does not count IMHO, it isnt by choice, but I get paid to use shet

However these percentages vary also every now and then, Amiga useage drops to 90% when I update a Machine, Be it Linux or AROS.

Mmmm, If we included Console useage though, geuss itd be more like this :

Amiga = 80%
PS3 = 10% - 15%
The rest is ofcourse split with the remaining OS'es I use at a home bases or outing.

Conclusion, AROS could indeed catch on, if it was more like Linux with Aplications / games amount, but even so, many users just arent into only having one OS anymre, but rather, like to have a few Operating Systems, so if they want to test something, or use something in particular, they just go use that OS, Natively.

This is just my viewpoint through how I feel on why I even bother with having Other OS'es at my disposal, despite using Amiga OS on such a high daily basis.

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@cha05e90

Damn, forogt,

dont many use ClipDown with their OWB in conjunction with GetVideo for youtube?

I know I do it this way on my Amiga.

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The list is really growing now. Thanks for your help.
I will do a slight reformatting and add the latest.
Edit: See below.

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@BigBentheAussie

Please add MPlayer as streaming audio/video for AROS

Please remove PPC/ARM from AROS "header". The applications listed in this table are *in majority* oonly available for AROS x86

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Application Type  |AmigaOS3(68k)        |AmigaOS4(PPC)         |MorphOS(PPC)        |AROS(x86)              |
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Word-processing   |AmigaWriter,WordWorth|AbiWord,CinnamonWriter|                    |CinnamonWriter         |
Spreadsheets      |Turbocalc,Ignition?  |Gnumeric              |                    |Ignition               |
Presentations     |Hollywood*           |PointRider,Hollywood* |Hollywood*          |Hollywood*             |
Browsing          |IBrowse              |OWB,IBrowse,AWeb      |OWB,IBrowse         |OWB                    |
E-mailing         |SimpleMail,YAM       |SimpleMail,YAM,       |SimpleMail,YAM      |Yam, Simplemail        |
                  |                     |Sylpheed,Claws        |                    |                       |
Instant Messaging |                     |Epistula,Sabre,Pidgin |PolynetNG           |Sabre                  |
Databases         |MUIbase              |MUIBase               |MUIBase             |SDB,MUIBase            |
Text Editing      |NoWinED              |NoWinED,Notepad,      |MorphOS ED,NoWinED  |NoWinEd,Aros Editor,   |
                  |                     |Annotate              |                    |Anotate,Vim            |
C/C++ IDE         |Cubic IDE*           |CodeBench             |Cubic IDE*          |Murks ?                |
Painting          |TVPaint,PPaint       |GIMP                  |Sketch              |LunaPaint              |
Printing          |TurboPrint           |(Native drivers)      |TurboPrint          |                       |
3D Rendering      |CINEMA 4D            |Blender               |Blender             |                       |
File Management   |DOpus,Magellan       |DOpus,Filer,AmiDisk   |DOpus               |DOpus                  |
Playing Audio     |AmiNetRadio,AmigaAmp |TuneNet,SimplePlay    |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer                |
Playing Video     |Frogger,AMP2         |DvPlayer              |Mplayer             |Mplayer                |
Streaming Audio   |AmiNetRadio          |TuneNet               |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer                |
Streaming Video   |                     |Mplayer,Gnash         |Mplayer             |Mplayer                |
Playing DVD       |                     |DvPlayer              |Mplayer             |Mplayer                |
Editing Audio     |Samplitude           |HD-Rec,AmiSoundED     |HD-Rec              |                       |
Editing Video     |                     |FFMpeg/GUI            |                    |                       |
Music Creation    |Digibooster          |HD-Rec,Rockbeat,      |HD-Rec              |Milkytracker,ProTrekkr,|
                  |                     |Milkytracker          |                    |HivelyTracker          |
Sound Sampling    |Samplitude           |HD-Rec                |HD-Rec              |                       |
CD/DVD burn/rip   |FryingPan            |FryingPan,AmiDVD      |FryingPan           |FryingPan              |
Torrents          |                     |CTorrent,Transmission |MLDonkey,Beehive    |                       |
Youtube           |                     |GetVideo,Tubexx       |OWB,getvideo        |                       |
PDF Viewing       |APDF                 |AmiPDF                |APDF                |ArosPDF                |
DTP               |Pagestream*          |Pagestream*           |Pagestream*         |?                      |
FTP               |AmFTP                |Pftp,AmiFTP           |                    |MarranoFTP             |
IRC               |Wookiechat           |Wookiechat            |Wookiechat          |Wookiechat             |
Image viewing     |                     |WarpView,PicShow      |ShowGirls           |LookHere               |
Photo retouching  |                     |WarpView,Gimp         |ShowGirls           |                       |
                  |                     |                      |                    |                       |

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@itix

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itix wrote: @ChrisH Quote: Note that you need to handle inter-block jumps (between blocks) different from intra-block jumps (inside one block). The code can also jump in middle of another instruction. I have seen such quite clever code generated by SAS/C.

Seriously? This is something I would like to see examples of. That must mean the optimisation happens on the generated assembly rather than on an intermediate step like with GCC?

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @BigBentheAussie Application Type |AmigaOS3(68k) |AmigaOS4(PPC) |MorphOS(PPC) |AROS(x86/PPC/ARM?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Word-processing |AmigaWriter,WW |AbiWord | |Cinnamon Writer Spreadsheets |Turbocalc,Ignition? |Gnumeric | |Ignition Presentations |Hollywood* |PointRider,Hollywood*|PointRider, Hollywood*|Hollywood* Browsing |IBrowse |OWB,IBrowse |OWB,IBrowse |OWB E-mailing |SimpleMail,YAM |SimpleMail,YAM, |SimpleMail,YAM |Yam, Simplemail | |Sylpheed,Claws | | Instant Messaging | |Epistula,Sabre |PolyglotNG |Sabre Databases |MUIbase |MUIBase |MUIBase |SDB,MUIBase Text Editing |NoWinED |NoWinED,Notepad |MorphOS Ed,NoWinED |NoWinEd, Aros Editor, Anotate, Vim C/C++ IDE |Cubic IDE* |CodeBench |Cubic IDE* |Murks ? Painting |TVPaint,PPaint |GIMP |Sketch, Pixel*, Grafx2|LunaPaint, Grafx2 Printing |TurboPrint |(Native drivers) |TurboPrint | 3D Rendering |CINEMA 4D |Blender |Blender | File Management |DOpus,Magellan |DOpus |DOpus |DOpus Playing Audio |AmiNetRadio,AmigaAmp|TuneNet,SimplePlay |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer Playing Video |Frogger,AMP2 |DvPlayer |Mplayer |Mplayer Streaming Audio |AmiNetRadio |TuneNet |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer | Streaming Video | |Mplayer |Mplayer | Playing DVD | |DvPlayer |Mplayer |Mplayer Editing Audio |Samplitude |HD-Rec |HD-Rec | Editing Video | |Blender |Blender,Mencod.,ffmpeg| Music Creation |Digibooster |HD-Rec,Rockbeat,Milky|HD-Rec,Milky |Milkytracker, ProTrekkr Sound Sampling |Samplitude |HD-Rec |HD-Rec | CD/DVD burn/rip |FryingPan |FryingPan,AmiDVD |FryingPan |FryingPan Torrents | |CTorrent,Transmission|MLDonkey,Beehive | Youtube | |GetVideo,Tubexx |OWB, GetVideo, Tubexx | PDF Viewing |APDF |AmiPDF |APDF |ArosPDF DTP |Pagestream* |Pagestream* |Pagestream* |? FTP |AmFTP,ATC |Pftp,AmiFTP | |MarranoFTP IRC |Wookiechat,AmIRC |Wookiechat |Wookiechat, AmIRC |Wookiechat Image viewing | |WarpView,PicShow |ShowGirls |LookHere Photo retouching | |WarpView,Gimp |ShowGirls | Scanning |FxScan*, ScanQuix* | |Scandal | Animation |PPaint, AnimatED | |Titler |

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Re-added Blender for video editing
Added Mencoder and ffmpeg to video editing
Added AmIRC to 68k and MorphOS (theres native version for it)
Added Scanning category with FxSan and Scanquix for 68k, Scandal for MorphOS
Added Animation category filled with PPaint and AnimatEd for 68k and Titler for MorphOS
Added Pixel for MorphOS
Added PointRider for MorphOS
Added Milkytracker for MorphOS (no space for Hively:)
Added Grafx2 for MorphOS and AROS

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Application Type  |AmigaOS3(68k)        |AmigaOS4(PPC)         |MorphOS(PPC)        |AROS(x86)              |
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Word-processing   |AmigaWriter,WordWorth|AbiWord,CinnamonWriter|                    |CinnamonWriter         |
Spreadsheets      |Turbocalc,Ignition?  |Gnumeric              |                    |Ignition               |
Presentations     |Hollywood*           |PointRider,Hollywood* |Hollywood*          |Hollywood*             |
Browsing          |IBrowse              |OWB,IBrowse,AWeb      |OWB,IBrowse         |OWB                    |
E-mailing         |SimpleMail,YAM       |SimpleMail,YAM,       |SimpleMail,YAM      |Yam,Simplemail         |
                  |                     |Sylpheed,Claws        |                    |                       |
Instant Messaging |                     |Epistula,Sabre,Pidgin |PolyglotNG          |Sabre                  |
Databases         |MUIbase              |MUIBase               |MUIBase             |SDB,MUIBase            |
Text Editing      |NoWinED              |NoWinED,Notepad,      |MorphOS ED,NoWinED  |NoWinEd,Aros Editor,   |
                  |                     |Annotate              |                    |Anotate,Vim            |
C/C++ IDE         |Cubic IDE*           |CodeBench             |Cubic IDE*          |Murks ?                |
Painting          |TVPaint,PPaint       |GIMP                  |Sketch,Pixel*       |LunaPaint,Graf-X       |
Printing          |TurboPrint           |(Native drivers)      |TurboPrint          |                       |
3D Rendering      |CINEMA 4D            |Blender               |Blender             |                       |
File Management   |DOpus,Magellan       |DOpus,Filer,AmiDisk   |DOpus               |DOpus                  |
Playing Audio     |AmiNetRadio,AmigaAmp |TuneNet,SimplePlay    |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer                |
Playing Video     |Frogger,AMP2         |DvPlayer              |Mplayer             |Mplayer                |
Streaming Audio   |AmiNetRadio          |TuneNet               |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer                |
Streaming Video   |                     |Mplayer,Gnash         |Mplayer             |Mplayer                |
Playing DVD       |                     |DvPlayer              |Mplayer             |Mplayer                |
Editing Audio     |Samplitude           |HD-Rec,AmiSoundED     |HD-Rec              |                       |
Editing Video     |                     |FFMpeg/GUI            |Blender,Mencoder    |                       |
                  |                     |                      |FFmpeg              |                       |
Music Creation    |Digibooster          |HD-Rec,Rockbeat,      |HD-Rec              |Milkytracker,ProTrekkr,|
                  |                     |Milkytracker          |                    |HivelyTracker          |
Sound Sampling    |Samplitude           |HD-Rec                |HD-Rec              |                       |
CD/DVD burn/rip   |FryingPan            |FryingPan,AmiDVD      |FryingPan           |FryingPan              |
Torrents          |                     |CTorrent,Transmission |MLDonkey,Beehive    |                       |
Youtube           |                     |GetVideo,Tubexx       |OWB,getvideo        |                       |
PDF Viewing       |APDF                 |AmiPDF                |APDF                |ArosPDF                |
DTP               |Pagestream*          |Pagestream*           |Pagestream*         |?                      |
FTP               |AmFTP                |Pftp,AmiFTP           |                    |MarranoFTP             |
IRC               |Wookiechat,AmIRC     |Wookiechat            |Wookiechat,AmIRC    |Wookiechat             |
Image viewing     |                     |WarpView,PicShow      |ShowGirls           |LookHere               |
Photo retouching  |                     |WarpView              |ShowGirls           |                       |
Scanning          |FxScan*, ScanQuix*   |                      |Scandal             |                       |
Animation         |PPaint,AnimatED      |                      |Titler              |                       |
                  |                     |                      |                    |                       |

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@olegil

I found it from playsid.library which contained mix of SAS/C generated code and hand written assembly. I dont remember details anymore but it was in series of 'if (x) foobar()' blocks. I have to check my Amiga HD if I can find it still...

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