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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 10:36:25
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 11:12:01
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 11:28:06
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Application Type |AmigaOS3(68k) |AmigaOS4(PPC) |MorphOS(PPC) |AROS(x86) |
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Word-processing |AmigaWriter,WordWorth|AbiWord,CinnamonWriter|Papyrus Office |CinnamonWriter |
|FinalWriter | | | |
Spreadsheets |Turbocalc,Ignition? |Gnumeric |Papyrus Office |Ignition |
|StarAmPlan,FinalCalc | | | |
Presentations |Hollywood*,MediaPoint|Hollywood*,PointRider |Hollywood*,PointRider|Hollywood* |
|PointRider,Scala | | | |
Browsing |IBrowse,Voyager,AWeb |OWB,IBrowse,AWeb, |OWB,IBrowse |OWB |
|Netsurf |Netsurf |AWeb,Sputnik | |
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E-mailing |SimpleMail,YAM |SimpleMail,YAM, |SimpleMail,YAM |SimpleMail,YAM |
| |Sylpheed,Claws | | |
Instant Messaging |CLIMM,SabreMSN |Epistula,Pidgin, |PolyglotNG,SabreMSN |SabreMSN |
| |SabreMSN | | |
Databases |MUIbase,Datastore |MUIBase |MUIBase |SDB,MUIBase |
|FinalData,AmigaBase | | | |
Text Editing |NoWinED,Annotate, |NoWinED,Notepad, |MorphOS ED,NoWinED |NoWinEd,Aros Editor, |
|GoldED/CubicIDE*, |Annotate,CygnusED* |GoldED/CubicIDE*, |Anotate,Vim |
|CygnusED*,Turbotext | |CygnusED*,Annotate | |
C/C++ IDE |Cubic IDE* |CodeBench |Cubic IDE* |Murks |
Painting or |TVPaint,PPaint, |GIMP,GrafX2, |Sketch,Pixel*,GrafX2 |LunaPaint,GrafX2, |
Image Manipulation|GrafX2,ImageFX* |ImageFX* |ImageFX*,LunaPaint |UberPaint 4p, |
|XiPaint,fxPaint, | | |Shotofop |
|ImageMasterRT, | | | |
|ArtEffect,DeluxePaint| | | |
Printing |TurboPrint* |(Native drivers) |TurboPrint* |? |
3D Rendering |CINEMA 4D,POV-Ray, |Blender,POV-Ray,Yafray|Blender,POV-Ray, |POV-Ray |
|Lightwave3D, | |Yafray | |
|Real3D,Caligari24, | | | |
|Reflections/Monzoom | | | |
File Management |DOpus,Magellan, |DOpus,Filer,AmiDisk |DOpus |DOpus |
|ClassAction, | | | |
|File Master | | | |
Playing Audio |AmiNetRadio,AmigaAmp |TuneNet,SimplePlay, |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer,ArosAMP |
|playOGG |AmigaAmp,TKPlayer |Kaya,AmigaAmp | |
Playing Video |Frogger,AMP2,MPlayer,|DvPlayer,MPlayer |MPlayer,Frogger,AMP2,|Mplayer |
|RiVA,MooViD | |VLC | |
Streaming Audio |AmiNetRadio |TuneNet |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer |
Streaming Video |? |Mplayer,Gnash,Tubexx |Mplayer,OWB,Tubexx |Mplayer |
Youtube |getVideo |getVideo,Tubexx |OWB,getVideo,Tubexx |? |
Playing DVD |AMP2,Frogger |DvPlayer,AMP2 |Mplayer |Mplayer |
Editing Audio |Samplitude,HD-Rec |HD-Rec,AmiSoundED |HD-Rec |? |
|sfx,samplemanager |Audio Evolution 4 | | |
Editing Video |Mainactor Broadcast |FFMpeg/GUI |Blender,Mencoder |? |
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Music Edit Tracker|Digibooster, |Milkytracker, |Milkytracker, |Milkytracker,ProTrekkr,|
|HivelyTracker, |HivelyTracker |HivelyTracker, |HivelyTracker |
|Octamed | |GoatTracker | |
Music Edit Other |Bars'n'Pipes,MusicX |HD-Rec,Rockbeat, |Bars'n'Pipes,HD-Rec |? |
(Midi or Audio) |Deluxe Music,Horny |Bars'n'Pipes,Horny, | | |
|HD-Rec |Audio Evolution 4, | | |
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Sound Sampling |Samplitude |HD-Rec |HD-Rec |? |
CD/DVD burn/rip |FryingPan,MakeCD |FryingPan,AmiDVD |FryingPan |FryingPan |
Torrents |? |CTorrent,Transmission |MLDonkey,Beehive, |? |
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PDF Viewing |APDF |AmiPDF |APDF |ArosPDF |
DTP |Pagestream*, |Pagestream* |Pagestream* |? |
|Professional Page | | | |
FTP |AmFTP,AmiTradeCenter |Pftp,AmiFTP | |MarranoFTP |
IRC |Wookiechat,AmIRC |Wookiechat |Wookiechat,AmIRC |Wookiechat,AiRcOS |
Image viewing |PicShow,PicView |WarpView,PicShow, |ShowGirls |LookHere,LoView |
|Photoalbum |flPhoto,Thumbs | | |
Photo retouching |? |WarpView,flPhoto |ShowGirls |? |
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Scanning |FxScan*,ScanQuix* |SCANdal,Sane |SCANdal |? |
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Animation |PPaint,AnimatED |? |Titler |? |
Remote Desktop |AmiVNC,TwinVNC |amivnc,RDesktop |MorphVNC,twinvnc, | |
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Drawing |Drawstudio,ProVector,|MindSpace |SteamDraw |? |
|ArtExpression,AmiFIG | | | |
|MetaView, | | | |
|Professional Draw | | | |
CAD |XCad,Cycas |? |? |? |
Mathematics |Maple V,mathX |Yacas |Yacas |mathX |
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 12:20:45
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Application Type |AmigaOS3(68k) |AmigaOS4(PPC) |MorphOS(PPC) |AROS(x86) |
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Word-processing |AmigaWriter,WordWorth|AbiWord,CinnamonWriter|Papyrus Office |CinnamonWriter |
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Spreadsheets |Turbocalc,Ignition? |Gnumeric |Papyrus Office |Ignition |
|StarAmPlan,FinalCalc | | | |
Presentations |Hollywood*,MediaPoint|Hollywood*,PointRider |Hollywood*,PointRider|Hollywood* |
|PointRider,Scala | | | |
Browsing |IBrowse,Voyager,AWeb |OWB,IBrowse,AWeb, |OWB,IBrowse |OWB |
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E-mailing |SimpleMail,YAM |SimpleMail,YAM, |SimpleMail,YAM |SimpleMail,YAM |
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Instant Messaging |CLIMM,SabreMSN |Epistula,Pidgin, |PolyglotNG,SabreMSN |SabreMSN |
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Databases |MUIbase,Datastore |MUIBase |MUIBase |SDB,MUIBase |
|FinalData,AmigaBase | | | |
Text Editing |NoWinED,Annotate, |NoWinED,Notepad, |MorphOS ED,NoWinED |NoWinEd,Aros Editor, |
|GoldED/CubicIDE*, |Annotate,CygnusED* |GoldED/CubicIDE*, |Anotate,Vim |
|CygnusED*,Turbotext | |CygnusED*,Annotate | |
C/C++ IDE |Cubic IDE* |CodeBench |Cubic IDE* |Murks |
Painting or |TVPaint,PPaint, |GIMP,GrafX2, |Sketch,Pixel*,GrafX2 |LunaPaint,GrafX2, |
Image Manipulation|GrafX2,ImageFX* |ImageFX* |ImageFX*,LunaPaint |UberPaint 4p, |
|XiPaint,fxPaint, | | |Shotofop |
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Printing |TurboPrint* |(Native drivers) |TurboPrint* |? |
3D Rendering |CINEMA 4D,POV-Ray, |Blender,POV-Ray,Yafray|Blender,POV-Ray, |POV-Ray |
|Lightwave3D, | |Yafray | |
|Real3D,Caligari24, | | | |
|Reflections/Monzoom | | | |
File Management |DOpus,Magellan, |DOpus,Filer,AmiDisk |DOpus |DOpus |
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|File Master | | | |
Playing Audio |AmiNetRadio,AmigaAmp |TuneNet,SimplePlay, |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer,ArosAMP |
|playOGG |AmigaAmp,TKPlayer |Kaya,AmigaAmp | |
Playing Video |Frogger,AMP2,MPlayer,|DvPlayer,MPlayer |MPlayer,Frogger,AMP2,|Mplayer |
|RiVA,MooViD | |VLC | |
Streaming Audio |AmiNetRadio |TuneNet |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer |Mplayer |
Streaming Video |? |Mplayer,Gnash,Tubexx |Mplayer,OWB,Tubexx |Mplayer |
Youtube |getVideo |getVideo,Tubexx |OWB,getVideo,Tubexx |OWB |
Playing DVD |AMP2,Frogger |DvPlayer,AMP2 |Mplayer |Mplayer |
Editing Audio |Samplitude,HD-Rec |HD-Rec,AmiSoundED |HD-Rec |? |
|sfx,samplemanager |Audio Evolution 4 | | |
Editing Video |Mainactor Broadcast |FFMpeg/GUI |Blender,Mencoder |? |
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Music Edit Tracker|Digibooster, |Milkytracker, |Milkytracker, |Milkytracker,ProTrekkr,|
|HivelyTracker, |HivelyTracker |HivelyTracker, |HivelyTracker |
|Octamed | |GoatTracker | |
Music Edit Other |Bars'n'Pipes,MusicX |HD-Rec,Rockbeat, |Bars'n'Pipes,HD-Rec |? |
(Midi or Audio) |Deluxe Music,Horny |Bars'n'Pipes,Horny, | | |
|HD-Rec |Audio Evolution 4, | | |
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Sound Sampling |Samplitude |HD-Rec |HD-Rec |? |
CD/DVD burn/rip |FryingPan,MakeCD |FryingPan,AmiDVD |FryingPan |FryingPan |
Torrents |? |CTorrent,Transmission |MLDonkey,Beehive, |? |
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PDF Viewing |APDF |AmiPDF |APDF |ArosPDF |
DTP |Pagestream*, |Pagestream* |Pagestream* |? |
|Professional Page | | | |
FTP |AmiFTP,AmiTradeCenter|Pftp,AmiFTP | |MarranoFTP |
IRC |Wookiechat,AmIRC |Wookiechat |Wookiechat,AmIRC |Wookiechat,AiRcOS |
Image viewing |PicShow,PicView |WarpView,PicShow, |ShowGirls |LookHere,LoView |
|Photoalbum |flPhoto,Thumbs | | |
Photo retouching |? |WarpView,flPhoto |ShowGirls |? |
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Scanning |FxScan*,ScanQuix* |SCANdal,Sane |SCANdal |? |
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Animation |PPaint,AnimatED |? |Titler |? |
Remote Desktop |AmiVNC,TwinVNC |AmiVNC,RDesktop |MorphVNC,TwinVNC, | |
|RDesktop |TwinVNC |vncserver,RDesktop | |
Drawing |Drawstudio,ProVector,|MindSpace |SteamDraw |? |
|ArtExpression,AmiFIG | | | |
|MetaView, | | | |
|Professional Draw | | | |
CAD |XCad,Cycas |? |? |? |
Mathematics |Maple V,mathX |Yacas |Yacas |mathX |
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* Commercial product.
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 12:34:17
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| Ok. I finally get to make the point I was trying to make by putting together this list of native applications for each platform.
The point is.... you cannot argue against AROS on the basis of software if you can actually run the same software in some manner. ie emulated.
The underlined applications in the list above are all the apps which are not possible to run on AROS. As you can see, there is for the most part, either a native or an emulated alternative for all of them.
If you have an absolute need for one of the apps underlined then you might have trouble switching to AROS. Otherwise you shouldn't.
What I find surprising when putting together this list, is the degree to which users of the so-called 'mature' platforms rely on emulated software, and why shouldn't this be the case with AROS.
You can get into an argument about the elegance of the emulation, or the integration with the system. Sure. But you may find that the power of recent x86 hardware compared to current PPC systems mitigates the lack of JIT emulation, and although the integration, is, at the moment skin deep, it will get better with time (see Emumiga.com).
So, to answer the OP. "Why can't AROS catch on?".
Perception most likely.
The perception that AROS is not mature enough to provide me with the applications I need.
I hope to have quashed that sentiment in this thread.
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 12:38:52
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 13:00:38
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The perception that AROS is not mature enough to provide me with the applications I need.
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I think that's part of it. But partly there *are* also quite a few "warts". I was playing around with ICAROS yesterday, and here's the problems I ran into in less than half an hour:
- Changed theme. When I rebooted, I got errors complaining about $SYS/theme.var not existing, and following that requesters popping up asking me to insert THEME: over and over and over until I'd gotten a chance to create the assign and set the SYS/theme environment variable.
- Several things caused uncloseable CON: windows to pop up.
- The boot terminal didn't auto close or have a close gadget
- The dock froze up completely, until I did a restart
- OWB caused AROS to crash.
- On restarting, OWB refused to run at all.
I'm not bringing this up to complain about AROS, or ICAROS - they've come far, and I'm willing to tinker and submit fixes if I can reproduce these problems (I've received my CVS access to AROS, thank you, and I intend to use it, though I'm not intending to spend that much time on AROS vs AOS4), and I realize that ICAROS likely has bugs that you could avoid if you install AROS from scratch and "roll your own" but that takes time.
But there's still some way to go, and I'm sure some users do get scared away if they run into stuff like the above. I hope they do well, though. ICAROS is a *massive* step in the right direction compared to leaving it up to users to set things up from scratch and I think it won't be long before it's gotten sufficiently much further that it'd be hard to complain about maturity of the base system at least.
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 13:08:34
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 13:19:17
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Thanks for the tip. You're right I probably inadvertently ticked that option - I just manually changed the environment variable so the assign worked again, but I'll update the script anyway so I won't break it again next time I poke around :)
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 14:27:14
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hm, there are more sw in the list which cannot run under aros yet you have not underlined them. includes both native (polyglot, turboprint, scandal, bars n pipes, etc..) and 68k (hd rec, anr, pagestream, etc) apps. and you havent underlined a single 68k app, not even those what can be run under os4 or mos. it some of those apps make mos or os4 more usable than aros. but if you really wanna stay to cpmpare nativa apps you're still left out some apps.
but really for us mos (or os4) users it really doesnt matter wheter an app is 68k or native as both feel the same.
not to mention about the quality of the ports. for example you really cannot compare mos owb with aros owb, nor mplayer. maybe in time you could but not now.
and what about the many "?" fields at aros list? no alternative. my point is that your point is slightly wrong:D Last edited by $adddam on 25-Feb-2010 at 02:30 PM.
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 14:39:31
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Tell me, tell me! Thanks for reporting this, it will be useful to debug the next release.
For the Con: windows, you can generally close them by typing something in them and pressing Enter.
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
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I think you're wrong - it's a pretty valid point - The m68k anyone can use (in different levels of emulation/integration), just that there's still lot more native apps/ports for OS4 and MorphOS that there's no equivalent for AROS (and some of it is productive software), and that is what from the user POV wheights more in software area (not hardware).
Then there's other levels of discussion the OS itself and hardware supported - in that area the fields are extremely opposed! Last edited by hardwired on 25-Feb-2010 at 05:10 PM.
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
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Re: Why can't AROS catch on?
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| I think we will have to reevaluate the thread title - AROS _is_ catching on :) |
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