@ddni

IMO:
- the only PPC SoC with 16xPCI capability (enough serdes lines)
- the only PPC SoC that can beat the previous fastest AOS4 HW by every single core (one core faster than some 1,1Ghz G4 AOS4 computer)
- etc...

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@_ThEcRoW

Quote:

System-on-a-chip or system on chip (SoC or SOC) refers to integrating all components of a computer or other electronic system into a single integrated circuit (chip).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System-on-a-chip

But this is only a definition. The SoCs here have most things like CPU Northbridge and some high speed I/O like Ethernet or SATA integrated.

Or if you like to compare it with the C64DTV ASIC that integrated a lot of the I/Os the C64 had like:
CPU, VIC, SID, glue logic, CIAs, PS/2 ports

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Geennaam

Interesting observation.

So if it is PA6T and memory lines come out as you suggest... would it not we wise to try to make same length for signal lines for both memories, so for that it might be usefull to position DIMMs the way x1000 has them.

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@Geennaam

"Well, we don't know the amount of serdes lanes and configurability of the AMCC APM83k PCIe controllers. So we can't rule it out yet."

I agree on that. Also, sampling volumes might already be enough for Amiga niche. (IIRC AMCC Titan(s) will go to volume production Q3 of this year)

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@ALL

Excusme but..
Why not te PowerPC 470(476FP)?
Was low consumption(1,6W at 1,6GHz), multicore(not only 2 but up to 16)...
It supports DDR3 and curently X-1000 seems to have DDR2 but maybe...
Another good point was that it was released in 2009 and the X-1000 rumors in the beginning says that the CPU was a new cpu that wasnt distributed to the large public no?
I'm all worng?

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@gregthecanuck

Hey....

The "X" in front of the blade looks an awful lot like the "X" for the X1000

Conspiracy theorists, go have a ball..

@JulArroyo

I never noticed that! Here is the product page from the manufacturer, notice the "X" folks. Makes you go hmmmm. Maybe X-ES is the board manufacturer?

http://www.xes-inc.com/Products/XCalibur1411/XCalibur1411.html

@gregthecanuck

IIRC, TrevorD indicated that XES has nothing to do with the nemo board.

IMO: The best bet for the designer is Varisys. They have PA6T competence and they advocate xcore.
http://varisys.co.uk/ (does not work with all browsers, like Opera)

@Tuxedo

"The PowerPC 476FP hardcore is expected to be available to support designs starting in Oct 2009 with production in 4Q 2010"

I think 476FP is too late for x1000.


For studies: http://www.power.org/events/powercon09/taiwan09/IBM_Overview_PowerPC476FP.pdf


(It seems that next year there will be pretty good selection of new PPC chips. Chips that seem to enable roughly xbox360 caliber Amiga HW.)

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But 476 is/will be Power Isa 2.05. The CPU specification on A-Eon website say Power Isa 2.04. To my knowledge, only PA6T and Titan are.

Petrol

@petrol

"conforming to the Power ISA 2.04 and newer standards."

To me they just say that future Amigas are not based on PPC440 or older chips.
(IIRC 440 is ISA 2.03 or something)

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@KimmoK

Titan 440 is 2.04.

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@Geennaam

If I were to guess I would say that reference board uses a whole bunch of layers to get the DDR2 slots positioned next to each other. I honestly think the two DDR2 interfaces on the PA6T-1682M are situated in a way that either layouts will work.

Remember that a DDR2 interface only requires 4 layers (I've made a design here that needed 2 short wires on a fifth layer, but it has only 6 layers total (two of which are ground) and one layer isn't used at all under the memory interface), so a 12 layer board will have no problem routing two of them in the same footprint. To reduce number of layers, space them apart like the X1000. Interleaving the balls for the two memory interfaces means you're forcing the designer to increase number of layers, so I don't think they've done that.

That being said, I still don't understand the fascination of knowing what CPU is on there. I just don't care. I just want to try it out

Never given a rats ass about CPU/GPU chip names and numbers, I only care about the performance/price/power consumption numbers.

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@damocles

It's "Titan core design." sO, It's not identical to the original 440 core.

I meant the traditional/basic 440, like on SAM.

"The 440 core adheres to the current Power ISA v.2.03 using the Book III-E specification."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_400

@ole

The performance will be so far ahead of anything AOS4 has had before that the rest is pretty irrelevant.

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@KimmoK

Quote:

It's "Titan core design." sO, It's not identical to the original 440 core. I meant the traditional/basic 440, like on SAM.

I was referencing a CPU for the X1000. I have a feeling it's a new version of the Titan 440 that they can't talk about. Time will tell. What I can't figure out is where the 440's level of capability is equal to other PPCs.

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@arko

Thanks for the acclaration arko.

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@damocles

"Titan 440"

Any link to Titan 440 information?
I've not seen any information about that. Only other AMCC Titan(s).

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@ALL

But Titan with 440 core wasnt so powerfull to justify the statement:

Also with only one core was the fastest Amiga ever...

I think that a G4@1,250 was faster...
I'm worng?

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@damocles

Quote:

Titan 440 is 2.04.

Exfuze me if I'm wrong, but there is no such processor as Titan 440.

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@thread

The A-eon site states;

Dual-core PowerISA™ v2.04+ CPU

Notice the + .