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ChrisH 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 9:03:25
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@Arko Quote:
You all convinced me, the Samt460ex is the best thing since sliced bread.

Somehow I doubt your sincerity.

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Now I like to convince other people not to buy the X1000

Now you show your real motivations....

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Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 9:09:52
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I do not see the point starting threads like these, frankly it's both disrespectful toward the X1000 Team and generally counterproductive in the context of our small community.

As ne_one pointed out:

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What I find really puzzling is the fact that the community has bemoaned the lack of hardware options for years and now when 2 options are available some people are questioning the practicality.


IMHO, it's not about seeing the glass half empty or half full anymore, frankly I'm glad we still have a glass. Well, two glasses, and counting.

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ChrisH 
Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 9:36:31
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@Shufflepuck Quote:
I do not see the point starting threads like these

That's because you are not a troll, and don't actively hate OS4/Hyperion... (And BTW, I would equally be against this kind of thing to do with MorphOS or AROS, but strangely (sic) they aren't subjected to this sort of hate campaign here.)

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frankly it's both disrespectful toward the X1000 Team and generally counterproductive in the context of our small community.

I think that's the general idea. The fact that AmigaWorld moderators let this sort of thing go on saddens me greatly, and is why I am more convinced every day that OS4 supporters should switch to Amigans.net . (I've bought the issue up more than once with AW.net mods in threads/etc, and frankly they don't seem at all bothered (or more commonly even believe) that their site is being used for nasty ulterior motives by a few.)

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Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
Posted on 4-Apr-2010 9:41:37
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X1000 is at least a factor of 1.6 times faster then Sam460ex, even ruining on one core, when AmigaOS4.1 gets SMP support its going to be twice that. Simple mathematics 3.2 times faster whit SMP.

No: when/if SMP ever gets added, you'll have to rewrite your applications to take advantage of it, and get any possible advantage because current APIs aren't surely ready for SMP...

So it will take a long while before you can take any advantage of SMP.

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@ChrisH

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I think that's the general idea. The fact that AmigaWorld moderators let this sort of thing go on saddens me greatly, and is why I am more convinced every day that OS4 supporters should switch to Amigans.net


Whilst i agree with most of your comments here, the bit about switching to Amigans.net is ok unless you also like Aros. Aros seems to be a dirty word there which means it is not in my opinion the site for my definition of true Amigans. At least here Aros users can discuss there Amiga flavour with OS4 and MOS and classic Amiga fans.

So whilst trolls annoy me, especially in this case as I truly believe the X1000 is a step in the right direction for the Amiga market to grow, better the site that allows open debate rather than the blinkered state that is Amigans.net. I say this is somebody with 5 true amigas as well as my Aros machines, I can talk about old amigas and OS4 there but not Aros which is also a next gen amigaOS.

PS. I guess my account will be closed now then on Amigans.net.

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@Leo

LA LA LA LA LA I am not listening, we have heard it all before and we know.

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Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
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@Leo
Thats not true. If SMP is integrated well you will benefit from day one, because you will be able to run more apps simultaneously without slowdowns.

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Another effort by Arko and friends (yes I mean you Kronos ) to fuel controversy in the official Amiga endeavours, don't mind them too much...

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Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
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@clusteruk

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...rather than the blinkered state that is Amigans.net.

I don't think that is fair. Amigans.net was created for a reason, by people interested in AOS4 more than other Amiga like OSes. Would you say the same about MorphZone or Aros-Exec? I would understand if people there at Amigans.net were bashing other OSes but it doesn't seem like that to me. And is nice to go there to talk about AOS4 without all the "noise" you can find here.

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Re: Why wasting time with X1000 if we can have Sam640ex
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@clusteruk
Amigans.net is intended to be an AmigaOS4 specific site and AW.net a site with room for all Amiga like systems, there should be room and a use for both sites. TBH atm. I feel much more comfortable at Amigans because there is a much more constructive and positive tone (we have Helgis!!) there.
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At least here Aros users can discuss there Amiga flavour with OS4 and MOS and classic Amiga fans.

Thats the way it should be but in reality I think most of the "mixed" discussions end up in nothing productive. Luckily we have a few developers that don't have problems releasing apps for all AmigaOS incarnations but these devs are rare (Jahc being one).

And I doubt a little criticism will end up in your account being deleted on Amigans.net, even if your critic is not fair at all

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@DAX
It's the usual suspects commenting with the usual counterproductive stuff, nothing surprising really.

For Christmas I wish for an ignore list function that will remove posts of whoever you put on your list

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Posted on 4-Apr-2010 10:43:00
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@Thread

It's a shame that a question and a list of comparisons throws up such a lot of panic!

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The fact that AmigaWorld moderators let this sort of thing go on saddens me greatly, and is why I am more convinced every day that OS4 supporters should switch to Amigans.net .


You must be very unsure of OS4.1 and its worth if you can't stomach reasonable debate.

The good thing about these threads is that you always find out something new. As someone who donated hardware in the past my opinion of TrevorDick has gone up considerably in this thread. Unlike ACK, Troika he has already put his money where his mouth is - I salute him for that and it makes the whole X1000 thing seem a lot more credible.

People who refer to a a reasonable question and a list of comparisons as trolling should go to amigans.net where they all listen in blissful ignorance to what MikeyC tells them.

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@Troels

A "ignore posts or whole threads" posted/started by a "personal blacklist member" would be nice. I already have a rather handy list here that I would use as the blacklist... (still not 97%, but growing... )

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Posted on 4-Apr-2010 10:46:14
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People who refer to a a reasonable question and a list of comparisons as trolling should go to amigans.net where they all listen in blissful ignorance to what MikeyC tells them.


...and here you go: Troll!  (sorry, I couldn't resist... )

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@DAX

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DAX wrote:
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Another effort by Arko and friends (yes I mean you Kronos )


You mean I have a friend ????


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@TrevorDick

+1

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Posted on 4-Apr-2010 10:57:32
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@Colin_Camper
You speak in general terms which is too easy...
Here we don't have "some users" throwing reasonable comparisons around (if that was the case you would have seen a different reaction), but always the usual ones, people that during the years have made quite clear they have an aversion toward the official Amiga endeavors, starting controversy for the sake of it (I don't know, maybe it has become their favourite hobby in time, replacing computing by quite a long shot).

When the ill intentions are quite clear from the get go, that's what you get in return...

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clusteruk wrote:
@Leo

LA LA LA LA LA I am not listening, we have heard it all before and we know.



I am relatively new to this game, but it's pretty obvious that there are many envious people here. I mean, look at all the dedicated hardware we have.

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Raffaele 
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Posted on 4-Apr-2010 11:34:59
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Arko wrote:
There are many good reasons to prefer a Sam460ex over the new hyped AmigaONE X1000;

1. The name AmigaONE has a bad karma


YES! But also NOT!

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2. We don't have any specs about the main CPU on the AmigaONE X1000


Wait until it's done!

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3. ACube was always able to deliver


Yes, Acube was always able, but can you say it about resellers too?

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4. The Sam460ex is cheaper


And lesser expandable and lesser powerful thn X1000. The two machines belong each other to different segments of price, features and target. So what is your point?

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5. ACube didn't use to play stupid games with their customers


And infact Hyperion choosen ACube to distribute AmigaOS 4.0 worldwide.

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6. You can buy the main board and setup your own custom system


This is true for any AmigaNG machine ever born since 2001.

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7. It would be a chance to show ACube your loyalty.


Not necessary until I buy one of their products, and I am a Pegasos user so I am in Blue camp...

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8. The system already proofs to run Blender and Iceweasel (Firefox based browser)


Also Sam 440 can run Blender, and either Pegasos machines equipped with AmigaOS or MorphOS. So what is the point again?

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9. It is new hardware, no used SoC chips involved.


Actually AMCC460 IS SoC Technology.

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10. Don't be a naysayer say yes to ACube


ACube, the choice for the new generation.

For Me! For You! For Everybody!

Enjoy the taste of ACube Drink and you'll never come back!

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11. Don't worry, there will be a perfect working SMP enabled AOS4.x port for Sam460ex, many experienced AOS4 users spotted the hints all over the ACube announcement.


YAY! Pancakes!

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@DAX

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but always the usual ones


I seem to remember people cutting ACK, Troika and their followers a lot of slack with their damaging delusions over the years. Just because it's the same people asking the same questions doesn't mean those questions shouldn't be asked.

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they have an aversion toward the official Amiga endeavors


I also have an aversion to scamming, company fraud and money laundering but I guess you weren't referring to Scamiga Inc!

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