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Hisoka999 
Re: A-EON and Varisys Announce Partnership
Posted on 18-Jun-2010 16:59:02
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@fairlanefastback

I think he is more like a pessimist. There is some difference between hoping that something is successful and the private analysis that it won't be that successful. It is highly possible that A-EON will fail. Since something like that is normal for startups and even more risky for a startup in a nice area and the amiga "world" is not that large and who knows how many people will truly buy the X1000.
That is the pessimistic way of looking at something new. I rather hope that it will work, since that will bring back some money into the amiga related business and it could be a base to finance some related projects(in theory).

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I think he is more like a pessimist. There is some difference between hoping that something is successful and the private analysis that it won't be that successful. It is highly possible that A-EON will fail.


And sometimes a person's analysis matches their hope. From what I have read of what he has had to say it is my belief he hopes to see it fail. If I am wrong I am open to hearing about how that is not so.

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Re: A-EON and Varisys Announce Partnership
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On a side note, it sure looks like an Apple (PA Semi) chip in the X1000, how's that going to sit with the Apple bashers?


Strange, I don't recall apple having anything to do with PASemi until after they designed the PA6T and I don't recall PASemi ever having any fabrication facility to make them, so fabrication was outsourced to a third party. Ultimately, apple may have bought the IP, but they do have to honour any existing contracts PA Semi had regarding the production of said parts, which again, are fabbed by a different company all together.

So, unless, I'm missing something, I imagine it will sit fine, considering apple have had absolutely nothing to do with the PA6T, if that indeed is what it is :p

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@fairlanefastback

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And sometimes a person's analysis matches their hope.


Which quite candidly is something apologists can be faulted for as well.

I realize that some people simply enjoy provoking controversy but the choice of the CPU for this project is clearly critical. I'm sure A-EON has selected a processor that is both capable and readily available but until we know what it is the uncertainty is warranted.

And yes, the cynicism and trolling gets old but this platform unfortunately has a history. Hopefully this announcement marks a turning point.

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Mechanic 
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Just in case anybody missed a good read.

http://dev.amigans.net/a-eon/NewsRelease-20100618.pdf

Looks like some good talent.

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Posted on 18-Jun-2010 19:02:46
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Great to hear. I think someone speculated these guys might be a good candidate for that partnership some time ago. Hopefully this will make for a reduction in naysayers going on about "Amiga" hardware only being made by nimrods in their bedroom like how I'd be doing things myself. (though I'm more likely in the living room)

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Re: A-EON and Varisys Announce Partnership
Posted on 18-Jun-2010 19:56:19
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@fairlanefastback

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That would depend on how big Varisys is. Are you saying they are a big firm? Can you show some backup to that? If they are big what you are saying makes sense that it might not be a news item for them. But unless you can back that up you seem to just be fishing to throw out a troll.


It doesn't really matter, he's just trying to bait people. Varisys will be in attendance of the show tomorrow, I think that illustrates the importance they put into the project.

Besides, the number is wrong. It's going to be more than 100. A lot more actually. It's a lame trolling attempt.

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Varisys will be in attendance of the show tomorrow, I think that illustrates the importance they put into the project.

Actions do speak a lot louder than words. And good luck with the show! I'm looking forward to finding out what happens when I get back (I'll be fishing in Saskatchewan).

This reminds me of a little ditty by William Shatner from his album Has Been (a surprisingly good listen):
Quote:

Riding on their armchairs
They dream of wealth and fame
Fear is their companion
Nintendo is their game
Never done Jack and two thumbs Don
And sidekick don't say Dick
We'll laugh at others failures
Though they have not done ####


It takes a lot of guts to take a risk on a brand new PPC desktop computer. It takes even more guts to put Amiga OS on that system and put it into the marketplace. I really don't think it is necessary to make fun of those taking all the risks and trying hard to do something positive for the Amiga community at large.

Stay cool

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Pentrite 
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Posted on 18-Jun-2010 21:36:43
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@ssolie

I'll be fishing all day tomorrow in Guinea-Bissau, but when I get home first thing will be to check AW.net.

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Posted on 18-Jun-2010 21:44:28
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Great news! Look forward to finding out about the show.

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tommywright 
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Posted on 19-Jun-2010 0:13:02
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So exciting! Wish I could see the show this weekend.

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Panthro 
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wish I could be there at the show ...... sum1 post if they announce anything more about this!!

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kadenaa 
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Posted on 19-Jun-2010 6:00:05
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@ssolie

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It takes a lot of guts to take a risk on a brand new PPC desktop computer. It takes even more guts to put Amiga OS on that system and put it into the marketplace. I really don't think it is necessary to make fun of those taking all the risks and trying hard to do something positive for the Amiga community at large.


I could not agree more. I actually find it saddest for those who put down others for trying. This stems from either them trying and failing so everyone else must fail or not even having the guts to try. These are truly sorry individuals.

My best wishes go to all those working hard on this and other projects. I am greatly looking forward to buying an X1000 and using OS4 for the first time.

Kad.

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umisef 
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Posted on 19-Jun-2010 9:50:03
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@Rogue

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Varisys will be in attendance of the show tomorrow, I think that illustrates the importance they put into the project.


(Note: I am explicitly *not* taking a position on whether Varisys does or does not consider this an important project!)

That's not a particularly convincing argument. Considering the Vintage Computer Fair is held about 23 miles from Paul's home, and Paul's history suggests that he might be the kind of person interested in computer history, he probably would have attended, anyway, even if there was no X1000.

To illustrate their perception of importance, an observable action would have to be observably motivated by that importance.

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Amiga_3k 
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Posted on 19-Jun-2010 10:33:06
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@Pentrite

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Is that 50 meter short track indoor fishing?
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@All

In every announcement made, one can read between the lines just about anything what fits one's desire. There is, however, no need to try and put down the importance of this announcement, as I think it is important for A-Eon to have a technology partner like Varisys.

Let's all just have some little more patience for the X1000 to be available (either as development system or customer unit) and then form conclusions based on facts about the X1000.

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nimrod7 
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Posted on 19-Jun-2010 10:57:59
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@umisef

is the glass half empty or half full ? i think for you the glass is at best half empty, which is ok - everyone can have their own opinion - but there is no way to argue about assumptions.

we are the information society, which means that there is too much info around, so we are not able to process it, which means we must rely on simplifications and this means that often than ever we show our point of view rather than arguments. or we make a point of view look like an argument.

all mentioned above leads to a conclusion that it is always possible to pick holes in sth ;)

EDIT :
@ Amiga_3k yer right and we should have a more patience (like a cheat in the Street Fighter II game.. ;)

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@damocles

It is certainly was important enough for Varisys that their two managing partners Adam Barnes and Paul Gentle together with hardware engineer Andrew Armitage came down to the VCF show to field questions about the the hardware.

So I believe we can safely state that your statement is totally off base as per usual<

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@damocles

It is certainly was important enough for Varisys that their two managing partners Adam Barnes and Paul Gentle together with hardware engineer Andrew Armitage came down to the VCF show to field questions about the the hardware.


It was so important that.."Two of the pioneers of British synthesiser music, OMD frontmen Andy McCluskey and Paul Humphreys, will be appearing at Britain’s first Vintage Computer Festival (VCF)."


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Mechanic 
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While watching the VCF vids, I must say I am most gratified with the
enthusiasm of the key people powering the A1-X1000 project.

Though not the perfect venue for introducing a new computer, I'm sure
there will be talk, and the word will spread.

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@Hyperionmp Quote:
It is certainly was important enough for Varisys that their two managing partners Adam Barnes and Paul Gentle together with hardware engineer Andrew Armitage came down to the VCF show to field questions about the the hardware.

Don't forget that all the X1000 designers signed a Boing-chequered tie!

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