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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 12:28:41
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I reckon you'll see lots of AmigaOnes on ebay for £500-mark |
In fact, there's an XE up there right now for £350.
And I'll let someone have my SE for £250_________________ Happiness is mandatory. MindSpace: MindMaps and UML diagrams for OS4
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 14:13:16
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What a refreshingly honest address there from Trevor D. I'm pleased and impressed. _________________ Sam |
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 14:13:25
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Some questions about the SAM460EX. From the picture it looks like there is an IDE connector, but it isn't mentioned in the specs. Does it have an IDE connector -- is it 40 or 44 pins? Is the SD reader accessible from the rear or is it inside the case (not accessible)?
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 14:41:11
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Wow! That was a good article. And, for once, the guy knew what he was talking about.
Even better are a lot of the comments! It's amazing that there are still people who haven't touched an Amiga for nearly 20 years are still raving about AmigaOS and wishing the platform luck.Last edited by Colin_Camper on 21-Jun-2010 at 02:46 PM.
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 14:53:21
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U-Boot 1.3.1b (Apr 14 2010 - 16:09:31)
CPU: AMCC PowerPC 440EP Rev. C at 799.999 MHz (PLB=133, OPB=66, EBC=66 MHz) I2C boot EEPROM enabled Bootstrap Option H - Boot ROM Location I2C (Addr 0x52) Internal PCI arbiter enabled, PCI async ext clock used 32 kB I-Cache 32 kB D-Cache Board: Sam440ep-flex I2C: ready DRAM: 1024 MB PCI: Bus Dev VenId DevId Class Int 01 04 1013 6005 0401 00 01 05 1033 0035 0c03 00 01 05 1033 0035 0c03 00 01 05 1033 00e0 0c03 00 01 06 1102 0002 0401 00 01 06 1102 7002 0980 00 01 08 1002 5960 0300 ff 01 08 1002 5940 0380 ff 00 0a 12d8 8150 0604 00 00 0c 10b5 8112 0604 00 00 0e 1095 3114 0180 00 In: serial Out: serial Err: serial Net: ppc_4xx_eth0, ppc_4xx_eth1 SM502: not found VGA: 1 VESA: OK
U-Boot 1.3.1b (Apr 14 2010 - 16:09:31)
CPU: AMCC PowerPC 440EP Rev. C at 799.999 MHz (PLB=133, OPB=66, EBC=66 MHz) I2C boot EEPROM enabled Bootstrap Option H - Boot ROM Location I2C (Addr 0x52) Internal PCI arbiter enabled, PCI async ext clock used 32 kB I-Cache 32 kB D-Cache Board: Sam440ep-flex I2C: ready DRAM: 1024 MB PCI: Bus Dev VenId DevId Class Int 01 04 1013 6005 0401 00 01 05 1033 0035 0c03 00 01 05 1033 0035 0c03 00 01 05 1033 00e0 0c03 00 01 06 1102 0002 0401 00 01 06 1102 7002 0980 00 00 0a 12d8 8150 0604 00 00 0c 10b5 8112 0604 00 00 0e 1095 3114 0180 00 In: serial Out: serial Err: serial Net: ppc_4xx_eth0, ppc_4xx_eth1 SM502: not found VGA: NO CARDS USB: OHCI pci controller (1033, 0035) found @(1:5:0) scanning bus for devices... 2 USB Device(s) found
Last Switch off: Date: 2010-06-20 (unknown day) Time: 19:40:48
IDE Device 0: OK Model: Maxtor 6L200M0 Firm: BACE1GE0 Ser#: L5ACEEHG Type: Hard Disk Supports 48-bit addressing Capacity: 194481.0 MB = 189.9 GB (398297088 x 512) Vendor: HL-DT-S Prod.: DVDRAM GSA-H62L Rev: DL00 Type: Removable CD ROM Capacity: not available AOS4 FLB found AOS4 SLB Loading .text @ 0x014000a0 (24080 bytes) Loading .rodata @ 0x01405eb0 (2482 bytes) Loading .data @ 0x01416870 (208 bytes) Loading .got2 @ 0x01416940 (596 bytes) Loading .fixup @ 0x01416b94 (104 bytes) Loading .sdata @ 0x01416bfc (16 bytes) Clearing .sbss @ 0x01416c0c (44 bytes) Clearing .bss @ 0x01416c38 (4104 bytes) A1 Second-level booter V2. Idea, design and main code: Andrea Vallinotto. Testing and fixes: Stefan Burstroem SFS and ISO9660 reading routines: Joerg Strohmayer. Linux booting extensions: Andrea and the GRUB team. A1 Second-level booter V2. Idea, design and main code: Andrea Vallinotto. Testing and fixes: Stefan Burstroem SFS and ISO9660 reading routines: Joerg Strohmayer. Linux booting extensions: Andrea and the GRUB team.
Bad trap at PC: ff908d8, SR: 29000, vector=1300 NIP: 0FF908D8 XER: 00000000 LR: 0FF907A4 REGS: 0df83e70 TRAP: 1300 DEAR: 00000000 MSR: 00029000 EE: 1 PR: 0 FP: 0 ME: 1 IR/DR: 00
GPR00: 00000000 0DF83F60 0000051B 00000000 0000000A 0DF83FC0 00000000 000002D0 GPR08: 00000000 00000000 C0C0C0C0 00000000 7E7E8000 1083C200 0FFDC700 0DF84200 GPR16: 01416C20 0DF8420C 014063F8 014063E4 0140640C 01416C20 01416C20 0FFD85A4 GPR24: 0FFE9808 00000000 00000000 0FFCBCEC 0FFE9814 0DF84B38 0FFDC8FC 0FFE9820 Call backtrace: 0DF83FC0 0FF90A88 014028BC 01402CEC 0FF919CC 0FFB8ACC 0FFB8BAC 0FFB8ACC 0FFB945C 0FFB0654 0FF876B0 Exception
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Well, Uboot already has support for PCI-E. If this card works with 3.3v there should be no problem. But to be 100% sure we should test it before reccomend its use.
We will buy one card and will do some tests as soon as possible and then we will report the results on ACube website. |
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 17:16:48
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So CHANGe the platform! Look elsewhere. Think of an alternative. let's all put in for porting to an AFFORDable platform! It's not like we have a compteing OS ANYWAY. |
Do you actually ever stop whining?_________________ Seriously, if you want to contact me do not bother sending me a PM here. Write me a mail |
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 18:06:37
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 18:33:18
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It was great chatting with you, your brother + Ben at the show.
I hope you found a nice pub in the evening! £3 for a very small bottle of Carlsberg was a bit steep! Still I managed about 4 of them |
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 19:58:58
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Would it be very wrong then to conclude that the first step in the process of getting more speed (on every kind of OS4.x supported hw) is well programmed preferable OS4.x native software? _________________ No comment..... |
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 20:09:08
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Rogue, please ;) SHADES won ! he's got x86 and winUae. but seriously - Rogue don't answer THEM! unless you don't respect yr mental health.
i wonder if it's good to put a sticky topic on the frontpage directed at newbies or "perpetuum-whiners", containing various explanations concerning topics : "PPC IS OVERPRICED AND UNDERPOWERED. WHY DO YOU LOVE PPC ?", "PORT OS4 TO X86. THE ONLY FUTURE", "I DON'T LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU SPEND ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF CASH ON A HOBBY"
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 20:11:33
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"I DON'T LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU SPEND ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF CASH ON A HOBBY"
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 20:35:31
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| Are there any videos ore pictures and info on the sam460ex from the show? Realy intrested in the new sam, anybody speaking to Acube? Youtube vids? Pics? Info?
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 23:26:43
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AlexC wrote: @SHADES
You're making a lot of noise cursing the stone you banged your foot against.
Watching your steps takes less energy and makes for a safer and more pleasant journey...
In other words, quit blaming others and assume the consequences of your own actions. Unless you're locked up in a cell or grounded by some illness, your income is entirely up to you.
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My god. It's about an AFFORDABLE future platform. I didn't make the decision for it to be on expensive custom hardware, your waffling on about me hitting my foot on a stone and all sorts of untrue metaphores. It wasn't MY decision, it was more like I was walking this path called AMIGA and someone blew a big hole in that path FORCING me to turn back.
You're right if you mean I can't justify a computer over my family or other things expensive as hobbies. I have to put other things first.
I fail to see how a company CHOOSING an expensive custom harware platform increases the hobby adoption. It has nothing to do with being locked up in a cell, it's telling me that the future for AMIGA means I have to put up with saving to spend money on an EXPENSIVE PPC under resourced / devloped platform that only a few will ever buy._________________ It's not the question that's the problem, it's the problem that's the question. |
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 23:29:04
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Dosent even seem like they will be able to get rid of the 100 developer/beta test boards judging by the polls and responses to that news. |
Trevor said that 150 people have so far applied... So you are wrong.
@Shades Thank you for proving it's not possible to have a reasonable discussion with you . Maybe that would change if you calm down...
I hope you enjoy your OS3.x on WinUAE, but I gave up on OS3.x many years ago, as I found it gradually become totally unusable as a Windows replacement. If OS4 did not exist, I would not be using AmigaOS now. |
It is possible Chris, you saying it is not changes and prooves nothing.
I did enjoy AMIGA OS9 and all other flavours before it. Pitty it is getting MORE UNAFFORDABLE to progress any further with the OS._________________ It's not the question that's the problem, it's the problem that's the question. |
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 23:30:33
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DAX wrote: @SHADES Sorry to say but i don't think you can counter any OS4 argument as for how good you know your WinUAE set-up, you are VERY confused about what OS4 can do, how it performs (read BigD comments above, he is not an OS4 user at the moment)and what it means.
I suggest you calm down and visit back down the line, you will see further progress and understand the scope of these efforts, what they are trying to accomplish and so on.
As I said (and many others too) the X1000 is a "project" that will bring AmigaOS on premium HW once again, but both Trevor Dickinson and Verisys hinted about this being the first, certainly not the last one. It will help modernize Amiga and who knows, make it a viable platform for cheaper solutions down the line.
One step at time, don't be mad because we can't have it all right here right now, it doesn't work like that in tiny niche markets I'm afraid.
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DAX, it's getting MORE expensive as time goes by. Not a good sign. There are less people as time goes by. There is less money for development, only 2 main programmers...does anyone see a pattern here?_________________ It's not the question that's the problem, it's the problem that's the question. |
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 23:33:15
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So CHANGe the platform! Look elsewhere. Think of an alternative. let's all put in for porting to an AFFORDable platform! It's not like we have a compteing OS ANYWAY. |
Do you actually ever stop whining? |
Oh sure Rouge, that's real constructive. Wasn't it you "whining" not having enough resources, time, more programmers to work on OS4, you can't work any quicker than you have been because of the lack of . All this was said not long ago by Hyperion.
So what you're saying is, it's ok to whine when it's you speaking but not ok for me to express my concerns when the future of the OS I like gets more expensive to buy with every release. Good job! that made my day. Hope yours is better.
Please. Last edited by SHADES on 21-Jun-2010 at 11:39 PM. Last edited by SHADES on 21-Jun-2010 at 11:34 PM. Last edited by SHADES on 21-Jun-2010 at 11:34 PM.
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 23:55:04
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The main problem seems to be that x86 can't emulate PPC in decent speeds.
Apple seems to have managed that with their Rosetta, but Rosetta just translates G3 and G4 code into x86-code, it does not emulate a PPC cpu.
How long did it take WinUAE to manage to emulate an A500?
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look this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD5G0bR9O7s
i emuate a powermac with x86 :)
video is recorded at 15 fps, but application or games run very smooth.
games run in software mode of course :)_________________
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 21-Jun-2010 23:56:46
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 22-Jun-2010 1:55:17
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| I'm really really upset that the X1000 only comes with a 1 Yottabyte SSD. I want a 2 Yottabyte SSD.
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Re: Posting from VCF Show Posted on 22-Jun-2010 3:10:21
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DiscreetFX wrote: I'm really really upset that the X1000 only comes with a 1 Yottabyte SSD. I want a 2 Yottabyte SSD.
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(Sales) That will cost you 12 gazillion pounds then.
(Hobbiest) But I can buy that on other hardware for 2!
(Sales) Well you should be saving for it. why don't you buy this sub par lowend machine instead for 6 gazillian.
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