@opi
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Your mom loves DOS!

And mine is bigger than yours

ps.
what is DOS?

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@Srbin

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what is DOS?

Disk Operating System. In old days we used this abbreviation for MS-DOS (which is itself another abbreviation).

@persia

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persia wrote: @KimmoK I find myself falling more and more into the AROS camp, I'm tired of proprietary closed source OSs telling me what I want. It's also free, I just run it in a Virtualbox. I remain open to Morphos and AmigaOS 4, but they just don't excite me at this point.

Is not like hyperion begged you to buy it??
If it aint for you then simply dont buy it.. It is as easy as that.
I myself am perfectly happy with OS4.x so far.

@Fab

MorphOS 0.1 has been releases August 2nd 2000. OS 3.5 came in autumn 1999 IIRC. Dunno how long Lare & co. worked on the 0.1 release though. But yeah, it is about from th esame time as the PuP vs. WOS thing happened.
And always remember: Elf is a monster!!!
Well, since Monsters Inc. we know that monsters are actually nice guys.

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@Fab

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Fab wrote: @DAX I don't have the answer to this , it's a bit too far and i was not following that closely at that time. My guess is a lot of political crap happened behind the curtains. :)

IIRC 3.5 was an initiative by Petro T. and H&P.

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@Fab

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Fab wrote: @pavlor Quote: OS3.9 was released in December 2000... OS3.5 was released in October 1999. Right, but the idea of a new PPC OS was already in the author's plans in the PowerUP times, which predates OS3.5. :)

I think the closer plan of a full ppc OS stems from the A/Box (the ppc board with the Caipirinha chip set) plans from 1997/8.

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@Zylesea

Yes. and PowerUP was only meant as a temporary solution (i don't know if it was the same about WarpOS) until a fully PPC native OS. Since AmigaOS was clearly not going that way at that time, it was one more reason to continue developing MorphOS.

Red vs. Blue vs. the Rainbow (AROS?)

It's all a bit of a side show, the best designed/marketed product will win it's market niche.

@Minuous

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IIRC amigans.net was running some kind of bounty for OS4 apps, I was told I was ineligible because the program is also available for OS3 & MOS. The implication being, that there had not been released OS3 & MOS versions, it would have been eligible.

If true, as an OS4 user I think that stinks.

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Well done on keeping the thread civil so far.. but no one has explained yet why people come onto these forums just to bait.

Because these people are so guarded they're afraid of revealing why they feel and act the way they do. I think if the real reasons came out, then progress could be made.

All I can say is that its really motivation sapping. I'm enjoying my rest atm.

@eliyahu

This is a good thread you brought up here. Nice to see Rogue posting here. It sure would be nice to see other OS4 and Morphos devs post up here about this though. Its time for the RAEL TRUTH!!!1! to come out!

Well the sad thing is there is MUCH not being said here and will probably NEVER be said. I'm glad Olaf Barthel's name came up as that name holds some history as well. I can say that from very early on the OS4 camp accused Morphos camp of Morphos being Stolen Code. This is both untrue and "FUD" It really affected sales for Morphos and Bplan (Phase5) at the time..

The funny thing is that most devs on both side are reasonable guys. Also, very smart guys and passionate, this leads naturally to competition and war in some ways. At this point its just the reality that "AMiGA os" has forked development and there is no real world way to combine the Morphos and Amiga os4 efforts as far as OS goes. HOwever, inter camp 3rd party devs co operation is the way forward. For instance Davy W of AudioEvolution and Morphos port and vice versa..

In my opinion all three should join force to form a viable business model and it only can be done by mergin all three together (OS4, MOS and Aros). But that is just my opinion.

@Painkiller

morpharos4.
The only ppc os that runs on rotten apples, 150.000 $ ford mustangs and is the best friend of mr intel's barber (or at least it's politically correct toward it).

@realize

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realize wrote: I can say that from very early on the OS4 camp accused Morphos camp of Morphos being Stolen Code. This is both untrue and "FUD" It really affected sales for Morphos and Bplan (Phase5) at the time..

It was not the OS4 'camp'. At that time AOS belonged to Ainc, kmos, etc.,
and all legal entanglements, accusations, fist shaking either came from
there or was eluded to openly or surreptitiously interjected into various
forums with only half truths being stated or veiled lawsuits threatened.

It is a different playing field today.

@Mechanic

That statement is just wrong ....

Sure some of that crap came from the Bill&Barry-show, but they were not even the frontrunner (guess who was and you know why that individual is popular in the blue camp).

Others were all to eager to take obvious nonsense at face-value (decompile 68k-binaries to create PPC-binaries ? WTF ??) to further their own agenda. Some went even as far as inventing some completly new crap (for example that DCE would scrap parts from broken BPPC/CS-PPC to help bPlan build the Pegasos ).

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@Kronos

It was all crap coming from various places leaving all users caught in the middle.

Time to move along, each in his own way.

@Mechanic

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Time to move along, each in his own way.

Exactly. I don´t think it makes much sense to re-enter battles fought nearly 10 years ago...

@Mechanic
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It was not the OS4 'camp'.

Indeed true. It did not came from the "camp", but from much higher places, from the leaders of the company which developed OS4. The camp (or some people from the camp) just followed it.

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It is a different playing field today.

I don't see a difference. These people are still here, and waving the flag they've used to spread their lies and FUD against MorphOS.

Considering the above, it's somewhat understandable that the "blue" side doesn't look for cooperation, friendship and a vision of future on the "red" side, most importantly because they don't need it. MorphOS prove over the last decade it can stand alone, and even prove its superiority over the competition in several areas numerous times. The rest is up to the users to decide anyway.

DISCLAIMER: The above is just my humble opinion and i do not urge anyone to agree or share these views. And i'm a blue troll anyway, but at least i admit it.

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@Chain-Q

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I don't see a difference. These people are still here, and waving the flag they've used to spread their lies and FUD against MorphOS.

I can feel you anger...

What wrong did Trevor Dickinson to MorphOS? Yes, I know he bought MorphOS licence for his machine. Maybe you are afraid of some of his possible experiments with it?

@Troels

Finally found the link you wanted, it is:

http://www.amigans.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=540

In the interest of declaring interests, I'm pro-OS3.9(+BB4). And yes, I helped put BB4 together so maybe that makes me have a "vested interest", I certainly don't make any money out of it though

(There has been much disccusion here about AROS. It strikes me as odd that everyone seems to be pro-AROS but nothing actually gets ported to it. Can we please agree on a colour for the pro-AROS camp ? Calling it the "rainbow" implies that it is in every way superior. I don't want to start a flame war but if I could just explain my own thinking:
If AROS could run 68K binaries and supported the full OS3.9 API I would be running it, but there is hardly anything to run on it I'm afraid. The amount of developer effort required to support 68K emulation + OS3.9 API would certainly be less than the amount required to port mountains of Classic Amiga software (much of which doesn't have source code available anyway).)

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