If Commodore USA ever releases one of their new x86 Amiga PCs how do you think AW.net should handle them as far as this website is concerned?

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@fairlanefastback

I don't know what it is yet, so that's a difficult question.

But if it's a machine running ubuntu, at least we can eliminate Alt Amiga OS, since that category is really for Alternative Amiga Operating Systems, which I don't recall ubuntu claiming themselves to be. heh.

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@fairlanefastback

I've always felt this site was more OS oriented then h/w oriented, though both need each other. I picked the first choice, as a name doesn't make a pc an Amiga. Just my opinion & not everyone will agree, but thats life.

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@fairlanefastback

Given that it might be months before they release anything, how are we going to classify it in the meantime? Are we going to continue to allow it to be discussed in Amiga Hardware fora? I would have thought "General Technology" would be appropriate.

If and when anything is released, the closest approach it can ever make to an Amiga-like system is to run AROS. Would that not restrict it to the Alt OS fora?

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@fairlanefastback

We have had a lot of advertising from C=USA (mostly self contradictory) about what they will release, and when. When I something more substantial I wll vote in this poll.
Until then any vote would be based on guesswork.

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@fairlanefastback

Unless Commodore Amiga-branded PCs end up dual-booting AROS out of the box, I would say that there's no reason to be discussing them in the same forum as Amiga and Amiga-like OSes. There's no connection other than the name and there are plenty of forums for Ubuntu already, I'm sure.

However, they would be "Commodore Amigas" (if Commodore USA gets their act together and releases them) and this purports to be an Amiga community portal. So some action is needed.

Either

a) Do some minor rebranding and relaunch amigaworld.net as "the community portal for Amiga and Amiga-like operating systems", with a caveat that Amiga-branded PC hardware should be discussed in the off-topic sections or not at all, or

b) Accept that the Amiga brand now includes Commodore Amiga-branded PCs and that some of the people using them will be Amigans, so restructure the forums to include an area to discuss Commodore Amiga-branded PCs.

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@jas_mc

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However, they would be "Commodore Amigas" (if Commodore USA gets their act together and releases them)

No, they will be PCs with a label stuck on them.

Drinking a Budweisser out of a glass with Theakstons Old Peculiar written on it will not make the drink a good beer. It is what is in the glass that matters not the lable stuck on it.

@fairlanefastback
There is no doubt in my mind: if you have an Aros related news/topic then it's gonna be discussed where Aros stuff is discussed today (ie: Aros is Aros and it's unrelated to CUSA).

As for the rest (HW) where would you like to discuss a chinese x86 PC?

Really that's all there is to it.

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@fairlanefastback

I agree with number6. Not in Alt Amiga OS, at least for now.

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My thoughts exactly.

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It should be decided when there are more details available... what hardware and what software they will be using and so on...

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It is just x86 hardware and as such has nothing to really do with the Amiga as we know it. If someone decides to install AROS on it, then they can discuss AROS in the AROS forums. I realy can't see why this hardware needs any special treatment.

AROS, MorphOS and AmigaOS all have the same roots and ideas (regardless of all the infighting :P ). The 'x86 Commodore Amiga' has nothing to do with that except for the fact that someone can choose to run AROS on it in the future if they so fell like it and they managed to snag the names Commodore and Amiga to wack onto the case.

@vrana
These a PC's and have absolutely NOTHING to do with real Amigas (A bit like a certain 'Research' OS )

Black ball them both i say.

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Once they run the certain Research OS by default then they can go into Alt Amiga area in my opinion.

Until then I voted top choice.

I assume if they then run the certain Research OS by default running on branded Commodore Amigas then that should be more acceptable to some

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@fairlanefastback

Perhaps Gen. Tech. and Free for All, otherwise we will need a category
for Dell, HP, PS3, Mac,etc..

IF and when it becomes pop with the AROS crowd then perhaps other arrangements.

@fairlanefastback

So far, it seems like there is a general consensus that:

(1) AW's classifications for forums is based more on operating systems. Notable exceptions being forums for free for all and AW site related.

and

(2) It -is- too early to make a decision, since the jury is still out on both whether this will even come to be, and if it does... -what- it will be.


But if you are merely planning ahead, so you don't have to react at the last instant, there is more to keep in mind here.
Asiarim made it quite clear that this license is FAR more limited than originally thought and that they have intent to hand out a lot of other licenses to other entities.
Imagine facing a new choice of what to do with -multiple- entities having the right to use the Commodore name? See the problem?

Also, adding any hardware talk to the Alt Amiga OS forum is likely to overload that forum for reasons stated by the other posters (too many possible different pieces of hardware). It is also kind of a slap in the face to MorphOS and AROS, imo. AW went through a period of stress both on the part of MorphOS/AROS supporters and AW staff, while undergoing growing pains. This all led, of course, to their forum being made more visible to all and as a result, more often used.
To just "give" that same right to a newcomer somehow seems unjust. And since the machines have been stated (at this point) to NOT be using AROS, that would make that category even more off-topic.

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@fairlanefastback

IMO it should belong in General technology for now. If released with Ubuntu/winblows only it still has nothing to do with Amiga as we know it.

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@number6

Worst case is having another sub topic area just for that. If it runs AROS though, as others have said it should then go in the Alt-OS area.


@Wizzard_o

That Research OS is based on the 3.0/3.1 APIs and so has its roots firmly entrenched in the Amiga world. Besides that, the code written to create it was then incorporated into various parts of the updates TO the ofiicial Amiga OS releases (3.5/3.9). It may not be an Amiga (classic sense) or binary compatible (as it isn't an emulator like WinUAE), but it maintains a source level compatibility through the API.

As such, (and given there are even ports of AROS for 3.x machines anyway), it deserves a place on the site irrespective of how some people see it.

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Worst case is having another sub topic area just for that. If it runs AROS though, as others have said it should then go in the Alt-OS area.

I understand that and perhaps I was a bit off-topic, since we're principally talking about C=USA. My point though was that Asiarim might well be licensing the name to many more companies.
If that happens, then we we have a new [poll] Should Commodore [insert company name or country] be allowed in the current C=USA forum?
I'm just bringing this up so you don't make a good decision here in the present, that turns out to be not so good a decision in the near future, requiring a greater re-work of the site.

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@number6

Well perhaps just create a Commodore B.V. licensed products area instead

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