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Poll : How should AW.net handle Commodore USA's Amigas?
Treat it as off-topic except in General Technology, Alt Amiga OS, & Free for all.
Create a new forum for Commodore USA Amigas.
Allow it to be discussed in Amiga general chat like any other Amiga (classic, AmigaOne etc).
Some other option (explain in a post).
 
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BillE 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:28:00
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@BigBentheAussie

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WE ARE AMIGA NOW!


That is just not true. You bought a name.

You do not make Amigas but poor quality PCs that no one is interested in. There is no way that what you produce can be an Amiga, it simply isn't.

Would you buy a flock of sheep and market it as venison ?

I am sorry but just because some lawyer has sold you a name, it does not mean that you produce the actual product.

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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:32:04
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@BillE

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That is just not true. You bought a name.


Exactly... and that means they are amiga. they bought it(rights). So they can use it.

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You do not make Amigas but poor quality PCs that no one is interested in.


You do not know what they're going to make, do you...

Oh, and btw, cheap PCs sell in millions, PPC amigas in hundreads... Nobody will ever invest big money in amiga to produce PPC amigas. This is the only way forward.

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BillE 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:32:53
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@WolfToTheMoon

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My reply is... but jeez: OS 3.1?


No one runs that anymore, 68k is dead.

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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:34:48
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@BillE

I wouldn't be surprised if there were more 3.x user then 4.x users.

But still, I don't see much difference between 3.x and 4.x... both are prehistoric OSes when compared to mainstream.

Last edited by WolfToTheMoon on 17-Oct-2010 at 07:35 PM.

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BillE 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:35:25
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@cgutjahr

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Lots of big promises with no substance? check.Throwing around buzzwords like there's no tomorrow? check.


Well to give them their due, they are the perfect successors to Amiga Inc then

And I thought we had finally got rid of that scum

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BillE 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:39:15
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@koft

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Cute website. Love the design work y'all have put into the pc64 case, very interesting.


Well I must admit I cannot wait for the T-shirt.

Oh no. Been there and done that with the last lot that bought a name and then did sod all with it.

On second thoughts forget the C= USA T-shirt, I don't want one.

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Kronos 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:41:26
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Their just as much "Amiga" as the Bill&Barry-show was (and still is ?) since 2000.

Remember how certain parts of the community screamed everybody down who dared to say otherwise ?


Well lets just say, it's quite a bunch of fun seeing them getting some of their own medicine


Or in short, not having "the_name" is the biggest asset of MorphOS (and to an lesser extent AROS, unless they get suckerd into that pit known as NotC=USA).

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BillE 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:43:14
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@WolfToTheMoon

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You do not know what they're going to make, do you...


From what they say, a PC.

If I wanted a PC I would have bought one already thank you very much.

Probably a cheap one without paying for a name to be stuck on it.

I don't want a PC sio will not be buying any of these so called Amiga products.

It is disgusting that they areusing the name of a once rspected product to sell mass produced garbage.

But that is the corrupt way of business in the modern world, what surprises me is that there are prats that actually accept this nonsense.

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koft 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:45:45
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I hope Commodore USA does well. The work they're doing on the cases is pretty nice. For the right price I wouldn't mind having a c64 mini itx case. I'd like to see them do an a1000 mini itx case and keyboard as well.

They have the rights to use the name and associated artwork, it really doesn't matter if some folks like it or not. I don't understand why anyone would be upset that a new company is trying to capitalize on the Amiga brand name. This will have no effect on any existing commercial or open development in the amiga scene. If anything having a company sell Amiga branded novelty PC's might bring some people back into the hobby.

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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:46:56
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@BillE

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From what they say, a PC.


Amiga is a PC. Especially PPC amigas, since they do not use any custom chips like the original 68k.

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It is disgusting that they areusing the name of a once rspected product to sell mass produced garbage.


Well, like I said, nobody knows what they're going to produce, but I'm not under impression it will be either cheap or garbage.

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what surprises me is that there are prats that actually accept this nonsense.


well, to me surprising is that there are people willing to pay 3000+ $ for a AmigaOS hardware, but I have the decency not to call them names

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Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 19:49:35
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@Plaz

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The day you bring an adult discussion I will. I've make the point that we're discussing an x86 clone with x86 OS's with and Amiga sticker on it and wonder why it should be included as an equal to native Amiga OS platforms. You reply with drivel.


An adult discussion is something brought from to point 'A' to point 'B' without jumping straight to 'Z' like you did with your reply to me. I told that - like it or not - the machines C=USA is willing to sell WILL BE the new "Commodore Amiga" (with the exact brand name as you read it here), and, for the simple reason this site is called "AmigaWorld" (have you noticed? a relevant part of both brands is matching!), we can expect lots of newcomers. And we must find the right way to deal with them (yes, in the poll I voted for "we should create a Commodore USA forum"), without looking like vintage freaks.

And how did you reply to that? Here's a reminder:

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If it's all about just getting more users here running x86 OS's on a box named Amiga, why don't we just convert the whole site now to a windows/linux site and be done with it?


Now tell me exactly WHERE and WHEN me, or Steve, thought about or suggested a similar solution! That's NOT what I (we) said and NOT what i'd (we'd) like.

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Plaz 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 20:12:24
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@paolone

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An adult discussion is something brought from to point 'A' to point 'B' without jumping straight to 'Z' like you did with your reply to me.


I think the issue was with my method of the message. I did apologize for my sarcastic tone above. You may like A-B, I might prefer a differnt line, at least in some cases. That alone shouldn't decide what's adult.

I do still put forward that we are trying to decide where and if topics related to an x86 system/OS's should reside on AW.org. *At the moment*, I can't easily see it's place among the current architecture that wouldn't garauntee confusion and flames. Even it's own sub forum seems like a powder keg for now. Future events and products may change my opinion.

Quote:

I told that - like it or not - the machines C=USA is willing to sell WILL BE the new "Commodore Amiga" (with the exact brand name as you read it here), and, for the simple reason this site is called "AmigaWorld" (have you noticed? a relevant part of both brands is matching!), we can expect lots of newcomers. And we must find the right way to deal with them (yes, in the poll I voted for "we should create a Commodore USA forum"), without looking like vintage freaks.


Most of which I agree with, besides what I've already said. "Vintage Freaks" did put me off a bit and maybe I read/took it wrong.

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And how did you reply to that? Here's a reminder:


And hopefully I've made ammeds.

Plaz

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pampers 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 20:12:34
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@BigBentheAussie

Did you consider hiring a couple of AROS coders and ship your Amiga with AROS? Don't get me wrong, but Amiga with no Amiga-like system will be just piece of crap imho.

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Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 21:06:36
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@pampers

As far as I have read, CUSA intends to ship AROS but not to invest in its development. May Aussie correct me.

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Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 21:11:08
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@WolfToTheMoon

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When it comes to customers of C=USA and newcomers to amiga brand I think the best thing to do for them would be for C=USA to open a community portal oriented towards x86 amigas and commodore.

I sure do hope you plan to do this on c=usa's web site. New guys like you that like to come into other ppls home & trash the place with your os4/ppc bashing & then demand a new forum. What a smart way to promote a new company.

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Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 21:18:03
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@vox

if this is true i will pay for a bounty to make somewhat a software protection, as apple does with its pcs, to make aros not work with commodore amiga pcs...
no money in aros party no commodore amiga aros...

Last edited by rebraist on 17-Oct-2010 at 09:18 PM.

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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 21:22:22
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@sundown

who's demanding anything here? I think you are implying stuff nobody said...


@rebraist

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if this is true i will pay for a bounty to make somewhat a software protection, as apple does with its pcs, to make aros not work with commodore amiga pcs... no money in aros party no commodore amiga aros...


good luck with your childish ideas

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Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 21:24:50
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@rebraist


That would be counter productive ... even if CommodoreUsa Doesn't give a dime to Aros ... If we gain 500 users because of CommodoreUsa that's more Users that could donate to Aros bounties etc.

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vox 
Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 21:26:15
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@terminills

Wait for their "Amiga" to be realized at all. Not Commodore creates not Amiga!

Also, the CUSA home page case design is known as Dream Amiga,
was intended for AmigaNG and shows that they

a) have no original idea of their own, yet
b) are willing to borrow good ideas but not to support current Amiga userbase

Interesting, OS page
http://www.commodoreusa.net/os.html

Sais
All Commodore and Amiga computers fully support Ubuntu and Windows operating systems.

Its good to know what CBM64 or Amiga 500 can do these days )))

No AROS mentioned. So end that dead story until they do something realistic.

At this time they have ther Phoenix sys, and it seems their "Amiga" will be redesigned case with similar h/w in and Linux

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Re: [Poll] Commodore USA's Amigas and Amigaworld.net
Posted on 17-Oct-2010 21:31:48
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@WolfToTheMoon

Quite true in numbers, but does community has to be in millions to exist?

Yes, we pay the price in OS price, software price, no heavy apps and h/w price ...

But then again, capitalism sais any competition is good, now when Mac is just IBM PC compatibile with MacOS X, this seems to be last real "difference" (different CPU, different OS).

Also, if you check OS 3.0-3.9 and OS 4.0 development versions, OS 4.0 Final, OS 4.1 to update 2, there is a lot of difference from where it started to what it can do now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_OS_4#Developer_pre-releases

A major gap is at least six years of no OS development, as well as OS 3.1,OS 3.5 and OS 3.9 which did not push the OS to PowerPC (late switch from 68k). Otherwise, I assume we would be at least OS 4.5 and much more modern features, and larger userbase.

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