@Comi

as if there were any questions worth to ask except fooling oneself for good.

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@wawa

I dont think is fooling..we will have clear situation.
GVP recently start to produce accelerators for classics, again.. So PPC is posibilty with copl of resalers to make joint preorder of about 1000 boards.
Individual Computers work on classics hardware ove 10 or 15 years.. like Elbox
So I think that there is market to produce that so everyone can make a choice to upgrade classics or to migrate to modern OS4.1 hardware of course if we get some info from this hardware developers...

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@Comi

GVP has no PPC accelerators listed
http://www.gvp-m.com/pricejapan.html

However, that also might be the way - I don`t see how 604 and Virge/Voodo/Parmedia could run OS 4.1 in its present look and requirements

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Deniil715 wrote: @Dandy ... Limited Mediator support and Quote: I take it there's still no G-Rex support either, which, again makes OS4.x useless to me. Upgrade people, upgrade!

I will as soon as it is possible - or why do you think I wrote:

"I still use OS 3.9/WarpOS as my main system. Should OS 4.1 for classics support the things I'm missing in 4.0 classic, 4.1 will become my main system.
But until then or until I get the A1X1k with OS 4.1 it stays as it is..."

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Deniil715 wrote: I know you spent a ton of money on it, so did I (BPPC ¤550, BVision ¤200, FastATA'99 ¤100, Prelude ¤130, etc.) but it's time to do it again IMO. I did it on the A1-XE (no regrets what so ever related to my old maxed out A1200) and I will do it again with the X1000.

So will I...

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Deniil715 wrote: I mean, as soon as you put a PPC, graphics card with VGA monitor and a sound card in your classic it got just as limited in backward compatibility as an NG Amiga.

I cannot confirm that.
I can still run all the apps I already used on my trusty A500 back in 1989...
(Aside from some games - perhaps. But gaming is not exactly my main focus - so I didn't even notice a decrease in backward compatibility)

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Deniil715 wrote: So there is not much to loose (except USB2.0 then perhaps...) only lots to gain. AmigaOS4 is your friend!

That's why I am looking forward excitedly to the A1X1k being available...

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@Comi

ive been then and again contacting elbox about different things (like w3d support for radeons among others). i frankly think what they do is a minimal support and improvements where they expect to find an argument to sell their remaining stock of hardware (like the late integration of mediator ram expansion support for gfx boards, which was anyway available by a third party developer). nothing more. and i cant blame them for being realistic in the given situation.

similar accounts to gvp, their boards arent new developments only getting rid of spare stock as it looks like. ven if that was a stock of printed circuits.

so dont expect to much. the only chance of a new accelerator lies with individual computers, who denied aiming anything in a range beyond 030 for now. but who knows. they and their consorts have been ma´king some working design studies. yet another possibility would be the softocres of tobiflex and natami team, or even fpgaarcade, of which only natami promises enough improvement, but since none have seen it working yet..

@wawa

There are a few other companies that could also pull off a new PPC accelerator:

GVP
E3B
ACube
AmigaKit

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@HammerD

i dont think so. there was talk about it again and again.
gvp- there will be likely no new designed amiga hw from them ever again.
e3b-concentrate on usb hw, if they would design anything i bet they would cooperate with individual computers (see zorram). anyway likely there would be some hint on a1k if something like that was considered. never was.
acube- did never design any custom hardware for amiga. (except for making their embedded boards available for os4). anyway classic amiga is out of scope for them, except for minimig, but this wasnt designed by them.
amigakit - well thats an only possibility, though not very likely.

@wawa

Probably wishful thinking anyway. But it is clear there is some demand from the users for such a card.

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@HammerD

How about ACube to redisign some old PPC board, add faster memory and cpu... ?
I think that they have skills for that... They replaced cpu cards on AmigaOne XE I think
Beside that they are company who talk with potencial costumers, not like Elbox- marketing PPC card And Dragon coldfire like solution if you by Mediator and then just polishing drivers from time to time! Idont say that Mediator is bad solution bat it is not completed without PPC.

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@Comi

With today's technology you can add ALOT to the size of an A1200 or A4000 CPU card's physical limitations.

Basically you could put an entire computer in there.

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the topic was discussed on a1k in and out. there were even people trying to contact dce for tech docs of p5 cards. all in vain except maybe if somone pulled multiple 10k eur to disclose it. it will never happen.

@T-J

Sorry can someone point me to the official announcement by Hyperion?

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@wawa

Or Shark PPC design from Elbox

Passivity of Amiga sites to find out answers about this PPC question trough years is what make me wonder.
In mid'90 PPC was logical step forward, now all add ons for classics are better commodity (Sound, USB, Memory, graphic).. only proceesor power is absent. Even yet that is the key to new usage of software, and possibility of OS4.X
Can someone from AW do this?

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@Mikey_C

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Ahead of the Saturday announcement, it was revealed at the meeting that the forthcoming AmigaOS 4.1 Classic will be distributed by AmigaKit and it would crucially support another AmigaKit product, ZorRAM.

You mean this? ^^

That was in AmigaKit's report from the show.

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@Mikey_C

Can Amigans.net do this?

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I can't see new PPC accelerators being economically viable, when Phase5 developed the Cyberstorm and Blizzard cards they built upon years of experience and had a customer base of potentially thousands.

Any new designs would need done from scratch, the R&D costs alone for this would probably cost a fortune, not to mention the cost of new RoHS compliant 060 CPU's being insanely high.

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@Comi

im sorry really, but as they say you are beating a dead horse.

@thread(s)

On-topic AW xoops [poll] now open at right hand side of front page.

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i just like to add i also hope it has OS4.0/4.1 Prelude sound card drivers if and when OS4.1 comes to classic.

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Ok, so are there any updates on beta-testers front?