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ssolie 
Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 0:21:05
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...if and when OS4.1 comes to classic.

It is not if but when.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 1:51:05
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@ssolie

The question is not if or when but way?

The classic Amiga is so limited, whit out dma its dead slow, and how many are using it today really is there a market?

Way not spend more time on new things and less on old?

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 5:16:58
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You could argue that point for the entire Amiga market, including MiniMig, Classic, NatAmi, AmigaONE's, Sam's, even the X1000 at 1.8Ghz.

Why bother with a slower machine when I can get a 3GHz computer at Best Buy?

Why should I fix up my old crappy 1984 Camero and put a new engine in it?

People do it and there is a market.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 9:57:35
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Understandable point, but it`s quite far to people who invested a lot of money and still have working PPC expanded A1200/4000. However, I believe this will be the definite strech of their living age and last version of AmigaOS that they will be able to use.

I assume that Amiga 4.0 for Classics was sold well back in 2006 when it was realised, and that with some RAM expansion 4.1.2 can be run also. However, as you say all the bottlenecks will be clearly visible: 604 CPU, VooDo or Parmedia gfx performace (4.0 even had AGA driver), SDRAM ...

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
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@vox

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Understandable point, but it`s quite far to people who invested a lot of money and still have working PPC expanded A1200/4000. However, I believe this will be the definite strech of their living age and last version of AmigaOS that they will be able to use.

I assume that Amiga 4.0 for Classics was sold well back in 2006 when it was realised, and that with some RAM expansion 4.1.2 can be run also. However, as you say all the bottlenecks will be clearly visible: 604 CPU, VooDo or Parmedia gfx performace (4.0 even had AGA driver), SDRAM ...


here on my system Blizzard/Bvision set-up,things have improved and is a joy to use. i would like to improve the Bvision card further,but need information on how to change the memory clock speed on the Bvision under P96/OS4.0 or the up-coming OS4.1 for classic.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 21:26:51
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you forgeting one critical point the only company to design a working ppc card for classic
went out biz donkeys years ago , and company took over doesint even return emails about amiga.


I dont think is fooling..we will have clear situation.
GVP recently start to produce accelerators for classics, again.. So PPC is posibilty with copl of resalers to make joint preorder of about 1000 boards.
Individual Computers work on classics hardware ove 10 or 15 years.. like Elbox
So I think that there is market to produce that so everyone can make a choice to upgrade classics or to migrate to modern OS4.1 hardware of course if we get some info from this hardware developers...[/quote]

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You could argue that point for the entire Amiga market, including MiniMig, Classic, NatAmi, AmigaONE's, Sam's, even the X1000 at 1.8Ghz.

the x1000 is new design

Why bother with a slower machine when I can get a 3GHz computer at Best Buy?
well you can but l rather have x1000 myself
Why should I fix up my old crappy 1984 Camero and put a new engine in it?

yes but one person might do that but gm doesint because it wants sell new cars
because at end the day your got new engine but still old chassis and suspencsion design.


People do it and there is a market.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
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The classic Amiga is so limited, whit out dma its dead slow,


CSPPC has perfectly working DMA and I wouldn't be surprised if it gave faster* HD transferrates than your A1

*Under AmigaOS3.x or MorphOS at least

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 15-Dec-2010 0:27:40
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Still, I'd like to repeat my question. Has anyone who applied for beta test OS 4.1 for classics has been contacted?

As a side note I'm definitely one who is willing to buy the full version when it comes out just like I did with OS 4 as soon as I've got CSPPC for my A4000. I'm willing to do so even taken all possible limitation of new version comparing to 4.x running on SAM for example.

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Posted on 15-Dec-2010 0:49:53
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@Crumb

CSPPC SCSI does not work under AmigaOS4.0, (maybe they have fixed it under OS4.1.)

Memory speed, cpu speed, and graphic preference and bus speed, there is no way a old CSPPC/AmigaOS4.1 can compare whit my AmigaONE-XE/AmigaOS4.1 in anyway or form.

The only exception is maybe USB, because there is a tiny hope the OS3.X drivers work on CSPPC/OS4.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 15-Dec-2010 7:08:21
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@NutsAboutAmiga

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CSPPC SCSI does not work under AmigaOS4.0, (maybe they have fixed it under OS4.1.)


Wrong. Only SCSI on Blizzard603e+ isn´t supported.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 15-Dec-2010 10:44:28
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I thought I'd make my observations on the Classic OS4.1 announcement
...
Hyperion have decided to keep the old machines up to date ... and announced AmigaOS 4.1 for classic Amigas.
...
This means that the most recent update of AmigaOS will soon be running on elderly processors clocked to around 200MHz with very limited amounts of RAM.
...
The only remaining issue is a lack of processor power.
...
But of course the best solution would be to build a faster PPC accelerator. Thinking about that reminds me that Varisys have experience designing Power CPU-equipped PCI cards - maybe that could be leveraged to provide a new classic accelerator?

If Hyperion and Co. can afford the development it could be good. Unfortunately, it would raise the question of what ...



... kind of PCI bus this card is meant to be fitted in.

I think most widespread among classic PPC equipped Amigas is the Mediator PCI busboard from Elbox, but this got very limited support in OS 4.x classic because of the graphic mem hacks Elbox used.

So I doubt Hyperion would support such a PCI PPC accelerator board - at least with regard to the Mediator busboard, which would make it uninteresting for me (as I have a Mediator busboard).

Having learned that OS 4.1 classic will NOT have USB 2.0 support and will NOT support newer RTL networking chips than in OS 4.0 classic, I highly doubt I will buy the ZorRAM 256 and OS 4.1 classic, given that I already have USB 2.0 highspeed with DENEB and Poseidon AND internet access with my given PCI networking card in the Mediator in OS 3.9/WarpOS...

After having read here somewhere that USB 2.0 support is almost ready for OS 4.1 I was really hoping it would be included in the classic version as well...

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CSPPC SCSI does not work under AmigaOS4.0, (maybe they have fixed it under OS4.1.)
...



You're talking nonsense, man.

It worked perfectly here on my A4000 with CSPPC since I bought OS 4.0 classic some years ago, as I exclusively use the UW-SCSI on the CSPPC...

Hadn't it worked, I wouldn't have been able at all to install it - as my CD drives are connected to the UW SCSI.

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Posted on 15-Dec-2010 11:13:01
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@itix

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If I've read and understood the articles online, it seems that the 68k is actually switched off when OS4 is running on an accelerator.



Yes, but for a cold boot of OS4.0 classic the 68k is still needed.
IIRC I read somewhere that once the OS4 kickmodules are loaded, the 68k is switched off and - in theory - could be taken out until the next cold boot.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 19-Dec-2010 20:54:59
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Looking at recent post on new Hyperion blog AmigaOS 4.1 for Classics is already in hands of betatersters. I wonder how big the team is. Anyway it's great to see pictures of 4.1 running on A4000.

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maybe possible to run Quake 3 on classic amiga (those with very fast cards).

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@actungbaby44

Can you find out who will produce this PPC cards?
I think that there are litlle cahnce for that.
Elbox promising Shark 10 years, so I think that they have some kind of problem with that project, or it was marketing trick !
GVP never producet PPC!
DCE quit Amiga market!
The only hope is Natami add on, but later when people wont some upgrade.
So if you have some more info tell as please!

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@actungbaby44

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GVP recently start to produce accelerators for classics, again.


they didn't produced anything new ... they were NOS - New Old Stock

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As said on Natami forums, natami will be powerfull enough for Os4 without ppc addon, but it is up to Hyperion will it enable os4 to run on it. Maybe if Natami is sold in enough copies...

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As said on Natami forums, natami will be powerfull enough for Os4 without ppc addon, but it is up to Hyperion will it enable os4 to run on it. Maybe if Natami is sold in enough copies...


Without PowerPC CPU? No chance...

(I don´t think Hyperion would make some PowerPC addon for Natami)

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