@vox

Hmmm ... the article also mentions "under an exclusive worldwide license granted by Amiga Inc." ... perhaps they have an additional horse in the stable?? What became of AmigaOS 5?

@vox: sounds dead serious. almost statesman like attitude.

@voyager2007

If Amiga Inc had a product they would not have removed the webpage, no matter how long is it before Amiga Inc is bankrupt again?

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@wawa

Yeah, sometimes they sound serious. Except in practice.
Original OS page contained also WimUAE, ChromeOS, AROS
and something called COMODO (alongside with some story
here about x86 OS in the future). They decided AROS is
just not good enough even to be dual booted (see my signature) and decided to go
with Ubuntu with option to buy Windows (see my sig)

No, it`s not AmigaDE/AmigaOS 5 story again, they purchased
just the name from AmigaInc for the all in one keyboard computer
named "Commodore Amiga" (just like the AMiga Classics,
not Commodore USA AMiga what might be proper.

Ah, confusion, confusion. And they are not going to give it up,
but there are AmigaOS, AmigaOne and AresOne to focus on

Another page in Amiga history, and to AmigaOS 5 seems we
have to live AmigaOS 4 while expecting the next update,
while SAM460 is out there and X1000 to come early 2011.

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The funny thing is all C=USA need to do is come out and say “ Sorry we are unable to support the Aros or Amiga community at the current time. We have decided for the moment to focus on developing the best looking retro pc case you can buy, this is our main goal, maybe in the future we can work together, good luck with your projects”

this is what a professional business who is lets face it only on here to promo them self to this community needed to say and they blew it and shown us who they really are. Big headed morons with the power of the owning the legacy names going to there head. Might be banned for this but I dont care.

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@kolla
Huh? What restrictions by AROS? It comes for all systems (AmigaOS, AROS, MorphOS,Mac, Win)
Also we are filling those missing things and done it already through our work.
I see no problem and i see nothing we can't do.
Please give an example.

Regards,
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@asymetrix
Hmm one man is working on this www.hdhomerun.com

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@phoenixkonsole
Look i am still aiming to the console market. My inner dream and AROS as base makes it possible.

Oh before you talk why not use Linux.... please stay tuned the secrets comming.
Edit: spoiler

I am still waiting for a answer (which i will get) from Hyperion to see if we can work together. Imagine a AmigaOne MC (Media Center). If they say no it doesn't matter. I have plenty of possible names.

The device will be the "Pandora" of TV-based gaming and Entertainment devices.
More creative things can be done by others via out PlugIn-system too.

AROS vs. Linux
----------------------
AROS is faster
AROS boots faster
AROS is easy configurable (for me ; D )

EDIT: spoiler

SO AMC opens the door even more to get more coder from the homebrew scene (console hackers and co) I am already in talk and interest is there.
AMC and BroadwayCE gives the possibility to build own gaming system based on X86/PPC/ARM for everyone. The only thing to pay for is AMC and if needed a UI for touch-devices like cellphone, tablet-pc's....
That is the idea.

The MediaCenter i will sell is a buyable proof of concept and a reference for others.

@Hammer
you said that PS2 emulation and Wii-emulators are supporting dualcores.
Edit: spoiler. But even without this supoort it works.
First Dolphin has dualcore support optionally - you can say "experimental" - so nothing to mention. It work without better.
PS2 Emulation is more demanding because of the architecture... but also here i see no problem.

Let me give an example you could test now.
I must always laugh if i read the minimal specs for 1080p h264 video on Windows and even OS X... the base AresOne which comes only with an Sempron @ 2.7GHZ can play it fine on AROS. This CPU can't play it on the mentioned mainstream systems.

One note about the used Sempron:
- in fact it is an Dual-core Athlon64 XII CPU where AMD disables one core at their factory.
The BIOS of the AresOne allow to activate it. But if then the user should do it because we are not allowed. Since AROS only uses one core (Edit: miaooww) it is just the best price/performance ratio - that is why we use it.


If you wan't more you can chose another CPU from Vesalia. Differences are more cache and some small percents more MHZ.

Best Regards,
Pascal

The Sempron is not used to sell you any cheap crap... it is really just the best option for your money if you plan to use AROS as main OS in the moment.

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@phoenixkonsole

One example? Just one?

OK, my favourite would be lack of multicast support in the tcp/ip stack, so one cannot join multicast groups to stream media from, it's a no-can-do with AROS.

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@phoenixkonsole
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AROS vs. Linux ---------------------- AROS is faster

Faster at what exactly?

On my equipment, Linux for sure is alot faster, as it supports the multiple cores in the hardware, filesystem caching, DMA on disk drives and NICs, accellerated graphics etc.

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AROS boots faster

Again, that's not what I experience.

I just timed my eeebox 202, from I hit the menu entry in grub till it was all up took 27 seconds (icaros 1.2.4 without the amibar mess), same box with Gentoo, XFCE4 and autologin ticks in at 19 seconds, and I havent even bothered to tune it.

My AsRock ION330 (which btw is ATOM 330, dual core with hyperthreading, giving 4 cores from the Linux side) with XBMC (ubuntu 10.10) uses 30 seconds, and again - no tuning from my side. As it is, I really don't care much about boot times, as i don't spend my day booting and rebooting. I know that for Amiga systems, this is important though, annoyingly.

Please, before you make general claims about speed and excellence of AROS (or whatever), at least provide some numbers to back it up, and be humble about your results, it might be that your setup is non-typical or even flawed.

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@kolla
OK multicast i have to admit i didn't think about yet. I have to investigate a bit.

Are you sure your Linux setup boots in under 5 secs?

Ahh i read now that you wrote how fast AROS boots compared to Linux... and it is really bad. This sucks if i am allowed to say it : D

The AresOne 2010 with onboard Ati (in vesa mode) boots in under 5secs counted from grub.

The AresOne with Geforce boots a bit longer because of the initialization of the card.
see here, took 18sec from powering on including a old AMC alpha both from CD.
Now we are talking about 7 sec.

Faster is meant because i can play full HD h264 with a single core 2.7GHZ. Can you do this under Linux?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbKlNLywPkc

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@phoenixkonsole
@kolla

How about;

Your mileage may vary.

@phoenixkonsole
Even an Atom can do 1080p:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdzcdTk8gQo
Atom N270 in video should be 1.6GHz.

@HenryCase
even my 486DX2 @80 can do : ) 1080p motion-jpeg
I was talking about h264 full HD - a ATOM handles only 720p ask Stephen for confirmation. Sure you could let do the work by the GPU but hey on AROS you don't need to do that.

The minimal specs for Itunes WindowsXP
A PC with a 1GHz Intel or AMD processor
Intel Pentium D or faster processor is required to play Standard Definition video from the iTunes Store
2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo or faster processor is required to play HD video, an iTunes LP, or iTunes Extras from the iTunes Store
512MB of RAM; 1GB is required to play HD video, an iTunes LP, or iTunes Extras
Screen resolution of 1024x768 or greater; 1280x800 or greater is required to play an iTunes LP or iTunes Extras
DirectX 9.0-compatible video card with 32MB of video RAM; 64MB recommended

pah... : D

I mean you would not like if you get a Video for your HTPC which you can't play because your ATOM can not handle the bitrate or codec.

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@phoenixkonsole

I dont know, I don't really have a single core 2.7GHz machine.

This dual core 3Ghz I have here does it just fine though, as does my quad core 2.4GHz Xeon at work, even has plenty of CPU spare to let me do work while having TV (yes, h264) streamed over multicast playing in the background.

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@kolla
Well i know, i can also do other thing while watching HD on AROS.

Now back to topic, we where talking about AROS is faster than Linux/windows
And i gave just one example:
Running fullHD h264 movie with a singlecore 2.7GHZ Sempron on AROS.

Now the circle is closed again ; )

About Multicast you may be right, i will check. I must admit i never heard about this before - can't know everything.
Ahh you mean RTP?!? if yes why should it not work on AROS?? x
AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the need address space for RTP.
Ok again "I" am not sure if you are right.

If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it.
You can even force UDP over TCP
-rtsp-stream-over-tcp

If the rtsp server needs authentification:
-user -passwd

Now i just need your answer if we talk about the same "multicast" : D

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phoenixkonsole wrote: OK multicast i have to admit i didn't think about yet. I have to investigate a bit.

It sorts under "not needed by most users", typically you'll have trouble finding an ISP that supports it except for those who use it for triple/quad-play and similar. Still, it's what I typically use for watching TV online.

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Are you sure your Linux setup boots in under 5 secs?

I can make it do that yes, using the very same tricks like one would use in AROS.
If I boot with init=/S/startup-sequence that is equally simple to what AROS has, you betcha.

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The AresOne with Geforce boots a bit longer because of the initialization of the card. see here, took 18sec from powering on including a old AMC alpha both from CD. Now we are talking about 7 sec.

Right, then imagine if you also have plenty of other hardware that is supported and needs initialization. Maybe Linux would be better off not initializing that hardware?

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phoenixkonsole wrote: Now back to topic, we where talking about AROS is faster than Linux/windows And i gave just one example: Running fullDH h264 movie with a singlecore 2.7GHZ Sempron on AROS.

And because I have no such system around, you must be right?

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About Multicast you may be right, i will check. I must admit i never heard about this before - can't know everything. Ahh you mean RTP?!? if yes why should it not work on AROS??

Ask the IP stack authors.

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AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the need address space for RTP. Ok again "I" am not sure if you are right. If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it. You can even force UDP over TCP -rtsp-stream-over-tcp If the rtsp server needs authentification: -user -passwd Now i just need your answer if we talk about the same "multicast" : D

We are - and keep on spending time on wikipedia

Yes, mplayer supports it ofcourse, but AROS IP-stack does not, so it doesn't work.

If you look at the IP stack of all amiga systems, you will find that they are quite rudimentary in what features they support, the authors of the stacks never tried to hide that fact.

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@kolla
Please check my last post so i know if we talk about the same "multicast".

Aros fit my needs for a embedded system.

USB-initialization= check
Sound IO initialization = check
Lan = check
Wifi = check
Graficsystem = check
IO = check
and so on ... what do i need more during 5 secs? Oh i forgot Ghostscript = check.....

Youk know most embedded Standalone player are taking longer for initialization.

Ok back to multicast please ; ) I am really interested.

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right Wikipedia ; )
Did you test it with the mplayer command i've posted?
If not could you give me a sample to test?
If you are right i see a new Bounty coming : D

About the Sempron statement, it is just what M$ and Apple are saying about their own software. So you may trust them.

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