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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 7:28:15
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usb2.0 works in MorphOS PowerUP



Yeah - but to be able to run it on my A4kPPC I would have to take it apart and to replace some of my hardware like e.g. the Mediator, which holds my graphic- (Voodoo4), sound- (terratec 512i digital) and networking cards.
How about the UW SCSI of the CSPPC? Is that supported (as I use the UW-SCSI exclusively)?
Once I tried to install PPC Linux, but as the UW-SCSI as well as the Mediator were not supported by the kernel back then, it didn't make much sense...

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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yes, morphos supports SCSI (on CS PPC and Blizzard PPC) but it only supports GRex or CVisions) so in fact OS4 is better in Your situation

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usb2.0 works in MorphOS PowerUP



Yeah - but to be able to run it on my A4kPPC I would have to take it apart and to replace some of my hardware like e.g. the Mediator, which holds my graphic- (Voodoo4), sound- (terratec 512i digital) and networking cards.
How about the UW SCSI of the CSPPC? Is that supported (as I use the UW-SCSI exclusively)?
Once I tried to install PPC Linux, but as the UW-SCSI as well as the Mediator were not supported by the kernel back then, it didn't make much sense...

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Err, wasn't this topic dedicated to the development of OWB on AmigaOS 4.x ?

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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Hey FAB thanks for working Kas1e Hopefully he can continue the OS4.x OWB development based on your great and hard work with MOS OWB. I could be wrong but as I understand it you own a Pegasos 2 naturally with MOS but you don't own a copy of AOS4.1? If this is true would owning a copy assist/entice you to develop for AOS4.1 or maybe co develop OWB along side your work on the MOS version?

If so maybe we can collectively bounty a copy for you? A small price to pay to encourage developers as yourself.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@Fairdinkem

I have access to an OS4 machine, but I'm not motivated in doing it myself, as i have no particular interest in OS4.

I think it's also better like that anyway, because as we could see in other similar situations, it makes more sense to have someone dedicated to the OS doing the port, else it often results in half-finished/buggy ports, by lack of motivation.

So I have no problem with helping someone like kas1e to do it. The only thing is it's quite some work and it will require sufficient C++ and MUI knowledge at some point in the porting process, since the OS4 port will need some consequent changes in a couple places.

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@Fab

Yep, your reason sound logic

Aniway, would be interesting if you can write a little how-to/guide about the actual MUI4 deps/general deps in OWB

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@thread

I got an answer from Mr. Strohmayer and he promised to send his latest diffs to me.

If there's anybody who's skilled and interested to continue (or help in) development then speak.

It's celebration ! My 1000's post !!!!!

(edit)

Last edited by Tomppeli on 13-Dec-2010 at 05:02 PM.
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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@Tomppeli

Imho the best solution for that version of OWB, just get the very latest sources, and put it on google-code, or on source forge, just the same as we have for now for Mplayer, MiniGL, QTAmigaOS, Adtools, SDL and all the other important stuff.

Then everyone who will want and in interest to develop that version of OWB futher, can add the stuff, without crying and asking for the sources, and why and how and what to do. Also there we can write little how-to-complile guide, and everyone will be happy.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@kas1e

Or better put diffs directly on Sand-Labs portal, btw i hope that this latest news from Joerg hasn't distracted you from your project

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Of course not. Because Fab's version are much better, and will be better for very long time, while there will be not born someone skilled enough , with normal logic, time and motivation which will works on joerg's version, and for sure, even when such person will interested, it will also get long way, to make it the same full of features as fab's one.

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@Tomppeli

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I got an answer from Mr. Strohmayer and he promised to send his latest diffs to me. If there's anybody who's skilled and interested to continue (or help in) development then speak.

It's celebration ! My 1000's post !!!!!

Edit: Sorry, i completely misread your post. I guess it is the CUSA stuff that is ruining my mood...
Congrats on your 1000s post btw

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@kas1e

Agree totally

Life is strange, yesterday was the hell, in future we may have 2 mantained OWB

Ehm

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All can be done better already, if joerg will say cleary what he want to works on OWB more and make it full of features. If it was question of money, then why not, we all can collect for him "every month pay" for example, or dunno how. But everything can be discussed and so on, if not only that logic about "owb its only core" and "its here why there is no FF".

Related to FF , something make me think, that we will not see any normal version in the next 1-2 years (that the other reasson why fab's mui-owb will be better to have right now).

And anyway, OWB will be for all the time have their best sides in compare with FF in any case (as well as minuses, but better have a choice, in compare with not have a choice). That is also one more "joerg logic" which i can't understand. Why he think that FF , will so cool and fast, than no one will use OWB ?

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Congratulations. Easy - integration of OWBUtiltities is only the first step...

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@kas1e

Well, don't know how mutch work Firefox 4.0 port required, currently we are at Beta 7 on mainstream platforms, so Friedens bros must wait the final release (ETA 2 or 3 months) then they can re-start, consider that most part of the port is already done, i'm not expert but i will say: 5 or 6 months for an usable beta on OS4.

Usable means just "usable", some GUI parts must be rewritten to fit the AmigaOS GUI style, menu, windows and so on ...

Aniway, having 2 different OWB and in future a Firefox port too isn't a scandal, it's just great

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@Tomas

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As much as i like OWB for OS4.x, i have to say he is starting to sound like a damn jerk to me.


I think we should lay off of Joerg. After all he took the time to work on OWB even while being mocked that it wasn't a workable solution. It was only after OWB started showing it's real promise that others started porting it to their preferred platforms.

Maybe the others are more skilled or maybe they are just more motivated. It doesn't really matter. I use the OS4 version every time I boot my A1 and I'm grateful for it.

Going forward I would like to see OWB for all Amiga platforms merged into one project. We could do so much more if we didn't have 3 or 4 people duplicating effort. This tiny community can't afford that.

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As much as i like OWB for OS4.x, i have to say he is starting to sound like a damn jerk to me.

Why such negative comment ?????? I asked to get his latest sources and he promised me to give them ! I won't quote a private email in public without other persons permission.

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Of course not. Because Fab's version are much better, and will be better for very long time, while there will be not born someone skilled enough , with normal logic, time and motivation which will works on joerg's version, and for sure, even when such person will interested, it will also get long way, to make it the same full of features as fab's one.

I disagree. The most of features of Fab's version exists already in owbutilities. Maybe we can start a race who will be first ?

And kas1e. I don't know Mr. Strohmayer personally but give him rest finally,will you ?!

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Why he think that FF , will so cool and fast, than no one will use OWB ?

For example I lost some points on online football manager game because OWB doesn't work 100% with that site and I forgot it. And I don't think that site uses Flash so it wasn't a question of lack of Flash 9-10. (And my x86 computer doesn't always want to boot so I missed the timeline of that game.) Firefox works 100% with that site. Nowadays web site makers usually test their sites only with MSIE and Firefox (or only with MSIE). Even if MSIE and Firefox can't get 100% in Acid3 test they both are 100% compliant with the world in practise. Even if WebKit is a good engine it's not guaranteed it's 100% compliant with the world in practise. Another example, there's hundreds of millions of Firefox users on Windos and Linux I bet Download helper plugin of Firefox is maintained faster to support changes of Youtube than a single developer behind GetVideo script can do alone (and support a lot many more video websites than GetVideo will possibly ever do).

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I think we should lay off of Joerg. After all he took the time to work on OWB even while being mocked that it wasn't a workable solution. It was only after OWB started showing it's real promise that others started porting it to their preferred platforms.

Maybe the others are more skilled or maybe they are just more motivated. It doesn't really matter. I use the OS4 version every time I boot my A1 and I'm grateful for it.

Going forward I would like to see OWB for all Amiga platforms merged into one project. We could do so much more if we didn't have 3 or 4 people duplicating effort. This tiny community can't afford that.

I agree. Thanks making those comments. Without OWB I couldn't use my Amiga in everyday computing.

Edit:
Also if Mr. Strohmayer didn't add some GUI related features into OWB he always worked on trying to make OWB to work 100% on as many popular websites as people requested from him. For example, making sure Facebook works and so on.

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@Tomppeli
Sorry, i completely misread your post. I thought he was saying he would not give out the source to anyone unless he proves himself "skilled".
It just was starting to seem to me like he did not want anyone to continue the project at all, but i see now that this assumption was entirely wrong.

So sorry about that comment.

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