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vox 
Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 11:56:41
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@clebin

Let them talk ... about CUSA being superior, going to develop x86, it`s the future, blah, blah ... while they haven`t developed the case so far.

Personaly I wish them to be proven to have old Amiga users grown enough not to buy it at mass, as well as new users not that much interested in old name AOL PC due to unability to expand it. That`s realistic view.

Why? Just because of so much disrispect you show for development of 2006-2010, if not 1994-2010. "Amigan`s not knowing any of their roots"

Loved Garnett Silk when he said "Let them talk"

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 12:01:48
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@vox

just look at your pictures that you uploaded up here...

no need saying anything else, everything is clear as night sky...

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 12:28:01
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@vox

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What a false statement!

"x86 users" wanted AmigaOS on x86 PC.

AmiKit does with OS 3.5/OS 3.9 if you have the original CD,
AROS if you wish recreative of native 3.1 + all improvements.


I was talking about the latest AmigaOS, version 4.x.

And don't suggest AROS = a patched-up OS 3.1. Let's get that very familiar FUD out of the way. AROS has extended OS 3's abilities in just the same way OS 4 has. And it has failed to extend OS 3's abilities in the same way OS 4 has.

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CUSA dropped completely their original statement and AROS (and should be diswowed by every Amiga brand user for this) and now


AROS people have broken ties with C=USA. What Wizzard_o is doing is lumping AROS people with C=USA people. That's more FUD. There is no connection between the two. I don't like this Workbench 5 thing either, remember.

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And they dont make AmigaOS x86 - which Wizard is right would cause more piracy.


I'm not getting into that. The point is, we warned Hyperion many, many times and were ignored. Now anyone pro-x86 is being lumped in with a company we have nothing to do with, and being blamed for the result of Hyperion's decisions. I'm not being a scape-goat for others' short-sightedness.

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Yes, I agree, that real Amiga websites should be clean out of this anti Amiga name in the name of not even Commodore but some USA "great pretender" if you want Queen.


Ok, that's too religious for me.

Chris

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 12:30:09
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@vox

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Let them talk ...

Loved Garnett Silk when he said "Let them talk"


Ironic, when you just said you wanted them "cleaned" out of Amiga forums.

Chris

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 12:33:58
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My biggest problem is that you might hurt efforts for the AmigaOS and AmigaONE systems, maybe you dont intend to but its is going to confuse the average joe who has a passing interest in the Amiga, prefect example is, someone who left the Amiga scene say just as late as 2007 decides to come back


2 digits would be enough to count the number of people who would have left the Amiga scene that late and be interested in coming back. That's a non-issue.

The bulk of Amiga users left the Amiga scene in the late 90's and remember the Amiga for it's games and an overall feeling of nostalgia that is not catered for with current OS4 offerings (X1000 included).

CUSA is targeting the retro market, complementing products such as Amiga Forever or the Competition Pro USB. OS4 companies target the Amiga OS enthusiast, i.e. the current Amiga community. The overlapping is minimal.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 12:39:21
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http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/C64-LeftPerspectiveBrighter.jpg

The C-64 looks real nice. IMHO of course.

PS.
I guess they are ray traced images but if the
actual product looks anywhere near I'm pleased.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 12:42:23
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@Manu

Attention - that´s only a rendered 3D-Image...

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 13:17:20
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@ruben

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The bulk of Amiga users left the Amiga scene in the late 90's and remember the Amiga for it's games and an overall feeling of nostalgia that is not catered for with current OS4 offerings (X1000 included). CUSA is targeting the retro market, complementing products such as Amiga Forever or the Competition Pro USB. OS4 companies target the Amiga OS enthusiast, i.e. the current Amiga community. The overlapping is minimal.


If thats true why call it Workbench 5.0? the only reason I can think off is so people think its more adavce than AmigaOS4 or its the next natual OS after AmigaOS 4 which is not true, any way please Hyperion call the next update AmigaOS6, I think it be really funny!

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 13:49:33
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@amigang

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If thats true why call it Workbench 5.0? the only reason I can think off is so people think its more adavce than AmigaOS4 or its the next natual OS after AmigaOS 4 which is not true, any way please Hyperion call the next update AmigaOS6, I think it be really funny!

You got a point there, that's a bad move on their part. They should drop version numbers and use calendar year instead. Workbench 5.0 won't make much sense to old Amigans.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 13:57:15
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@ruben

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bYou got a point there, that's a bad move on their part. They should drop version numbers and use calendar year instead. Workbench 5.0 won't make much sense to old Amigans.

yeah, i gotta say i really object to calling it 'workbench 5.0' given the obvious implication it is a successor to amigaOS 4.x -- which isn't true in any way, shape, or form. if they called it 'workbench 2011' or 'workbench 11.04' or 'workbench natty narwhal' that would be more appropriate in my view.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 14:31:53
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@eliyahu

i think they migh actually have done some research in advance and called workbench5 like that as a part or replacement for supposed amigaos5 that apparently isnt covered by the agreement hyperion/ainc. i might be wrong but afir only 4.x is the subject to this agreement as being developed and owned (?) by hyperion. in this case cusa would be on secure ground, alas.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 14-Dec-2010 14:40:06
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i think they migh actually have done some research in advance and called workbench5 like that as a part or replacement for supposed amigaos5 that apparently isnt covered by the agreement hyperion/ainc. i might be wrong but afir only 4.x is the subject to this agreement as being developed and owned (?) by hyperion. in this case cusa would be on secure ground, alas.

the settlement allows hyperion to continue using the amigaOS trademark effectively forever, for OS4 and all subsequent releases, regardless of version. according to hyperion:

Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform under the exclusive trademark “AmigaOS” (Amiga operating system) and using other associated trademarks (such as the “BoingBall” logo).
i think 'commodore USA' chose the workbench name because, as its used by a party other than hyperion, i.e., cloanto, they figured they could either get away with it or negotiate with a party open to the possibility of such use.

time will tell what 'workbench 5.0' is. for now only barry/leo know anything specific.

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Posted on 14-Dec-2010 14:50:23
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@wawa

i wouldn't be so sure, the whole c=usa circus wants to find itself inside the courtroom

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Posted on 14-Dec-2010 14:57:24
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no, im not sure either. just guessing. but for a matter of fact i wonder why so many people care. nothing more than a stupid hp apperars somewhere with some amiga or commodore logo, not backed up by anything, and we have perfect buzz in a glass of water .

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Posted on 14-Dec-2010 16:01:25
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Posted on 14-Dec-2010 16:09:55
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@amigang

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If thats true why call it Workbench 5.0? the only reason I can think off is so people think its more adavce than AmigaOS4 or its the next natual OS after AmigaOS 4 which is not true, any way please Hyperion call the next update AmigaOS6, I think it be really funny!


I've been suggesting this for a while now, to avoid tarnishing the next version of AmigaOS with association with Amiga Inc's little scam. Now there's double the incentive.

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Posted on 14-Dec-2010 16:20:26
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Congratulations Commodore USA!

This is the true Amiga. The brand is everything!

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Posted on 14-Dec-2010 16:52:30
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ironfist wrote:
Congratulations Commodore USA!

This is the true Amiga. The brand is everything!


I never took that saying too literally until now. CUSA has literally NOTHING but the BRAND!

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Posted on 14-Dec-2010 17:53:12
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Now I'm not a lawyer but based on this case of Amiga Inc vs Cloanto over the Workbench name, I dont think Commodore will get to use it, if you look at the very first document

http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91183272&pty=OPP&eno=1

The whole reason and bases for the case is because Amiga Inc believe using the name would be damaging to its OS...which OS...AmigaOS of course, so as I understand it even if they win the case, now that Hyperion owns the rights to AmigaOS they should be simple able to say well if they won the case that would be damaging to AmigaOS, which they now hold the rights to, its going to damage them so no one else should be able to use it. Understand?

However if Amiga inc lose then its in Cloanto court of whats going to happen.

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Posted on 14-Dec-2010 18:40:38
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@amigang

Like most here I am seething that these IP whores are using AW for their advertising.
The fact that BB the Aussie has told me that "we don't need the community for anything." makes my blood boil. If you feel that way then why the #### are you here!!?

Even more galling is that the cases on the new site a just some dirt cheap HTPC cases from China (nothing wrong with China though ).

http://www.aumro.com/products.html

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