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wawa 
Re: AROS68K Pic
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 23:15:26
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besides it is severly off topic here. the topic is the progress of aros68k.
below another screenshot of a 68k sdl game running under aros, yet unreleased. ive compiled it for os3, but eventually decided that it doesnt run fast enough on real hardware. im well aware that sdl ports do not prove much as they detach from amiga system the most time. but whatever.



ive not been able to run an opengl application on aros 68k yet. might be due to that most of them are compiled for 040/060 and that floating point isnt yet enabled. i dont know.

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E.g. 486/33 with ISA were usually slower than 030/50+AGA. VESA/PCI gfx cards were only in newer expensive machines. Id could have released it for accelerated Amigas without problems. People would have upgraded their machines. As game publishers kept releasing games that didn't take advantage of extra hardware gamers didn't upgrade

486/33 was way faster than 030/50 (at least for playing DOOM)... 486/33/ISA were also a lot faster for window-based displays (640x480/800x600 in hi-color was a lot faster than AGA/640x480/8bit).

In 1993 my Amiga was an A500, and I was looking for a 1200+HD. Most people had unexpended Amigas by then. The slow OS was yet to be patched by BlazeWCP, FastBlit, etc. There is no way Id could have released DOOM for the Amiga in 1993: people had slow machines (68000/020 based), no HD and the OS was not ready for that... Even though 4 years later, it proved to be technically possible (no one says it isn't), DOOM couldn't have been released in 1993: the market wasn't there, the software wasn't ready. Period.

Now, back to the topic: anyone knows if the audio.device is implemented ? I read it was implemented, but did nothing for now: only empty functions were implemented...

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@Leo

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=43260#forumpost43260

As of the other day however the uae ahi driver locks up aros. that may have been fixed by now.

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@Leo

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486/33 was way faster than 030/50 (at least for playing DOOM)...


Right.

I have here 486SX 25 MHz notebook and my A1200 (Blizzard 1230IV 50 MHz).

Doom (shareware) gives me in The Doom Benchmark 9.9 FPS, my A1200 (without sound) 9.6 FPS (ADoom 1.3). However, 486SX is really faster CPU - it is clearly visible in some other applications (eg. Civilization - faster AI turns).

It will be interesting to see speed comparison of AROS and AmigaOS 3 on the same hardware (after completion of the 68k port).

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umisef 
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Phase 5 where planing there own computer inspired by Amiga the A/Box, this ended up as the Pegasus under different company running MorphOS.


Did you ever look at the A\Box specs? They are nothing like the Pegasos. Nothing at all.

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Leo 
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@pavlor : I guess the notebook was slower than most desktop computers of the day then. Any SVGA ISA board should be a lost faster...

@terminills: nice! :) Hope most apps using audio.device will work...

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pavlor 
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@Leo

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I guess the notebook was slower than most desktop computers of the day then. Any SVGA ISA board should be a lost faster...


Yes, my VGA adapter is not the fastest of that time (1994). However, I don´t think 486SX based computer with common ISA SVGA card would score much better.

See some other results for comparison:
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/misc/doombench.html

Edit: common PC configuration of that time (July 1994) was:
Am386DX 40 MHz, 4 MB RAM, 512 kB SVGA ISA (for around 1200 USD)

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kamelito 
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@umisef

I've seen what Phase 5 was calling the A\BOX prototype in a German show back then. Some kind of motherboard, maybe it was just real vaporwave.

Kamel

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@Leo

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486/33 was way faster than 030/50 (at least for playing DOOM)...


Not the desktops 486/33 I used at university, that's for sure. They didn't ran Doom faster than my A1200.

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@Crumb, Leo

Sorry, but what's the point in establishing where DooM was faster 15 years ago, in a topic which talks about progression of AROS on the M68K (real or emulated) platform?

@ All

And why is EVERY topic good to start again the AmigaOS/MOS flame war?

I wonder if I start talking about eels in my garden, if it would be considered on topic.

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pavlor 
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@paolone

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Sorry, but what's the point in establishing where DooM was faster 15 years ago, in a topic which talks about progression of AROS on the M68K (real or emulated) platform?


I was interested in AmigaOS 3 - AROS comparison on "Classic" hardware (when the AROS port is ready for prime time). The Doom Benchmark can be useful in this reagard. I hope it was not so much OT.

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terminills 
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@pavlor

I'm not so interested in benchmarks persay I'm more interested in what kind of expansion options will eventually be able to be loaded from kickstart directly.

Sata,usb,video etc. should be interesting to see what happens. =]

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wawa 
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imagine 3d fp works (sort of)
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/arosimagine1.jpg/
http://img841.imageshack.us/i/arosimagine2.jpg/
since the data requester gets messed up i cant try to load any fifteen years old project..

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hardwired 
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@wawa

Actually there's an option to set the requester to ASL in the options AFAIR in Imagine...

Can't be sure though...

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wawa 
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@hardwired

ah, thanks. i do not remember anything.. its been years. besides many more applications start and seem to run but the trashed graphics do not allow to navigate properly: lightwave, brillance, alien breed tkg - rtg version.
ive been able to navigate through brillance opening requesters and choosing oiptions, though display two screens of different resolutions at the same time is way too much for aros, i had to guess where to click. could exit cleanly though.

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wawa 
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yam under aros68k/zune
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/aros68kyam.jpg/
utilizes latest os3/68k mui classes

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@pavlor

Quote:

pavlor wrote:
@Leo

Quote:
I guess the notebook was slower than most desktop computers of the day then. Any SVGA ISA board should be a lost faster...


Yes, my VGA adapter is not the fastest of that time (1994). However, I don´t think 486SX based computer with common ISA SVGA card would score much better.

See some other results for comparison:
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/misc/doombench.html

Edit: common PC configuration of that time (July 1994) was:
Am386DX 40 MHz, 4 MB RAM, 512 kB SVGA ISA (for around 1200 USD)

Before Intel's VL-Bus, there's MCA(1) and EISA(2).

1. IBM
2. 1988 "Gang of Nine IBM PC compatible" manufacturers.

I don't think AMD was the dominant X86 CPU vendor i.e. Am386DX is an AMD 386 clone chip.

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@Crumb

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Doom ran using 320x200 screenmodes, not 640x480. And most PCs didn't ran it much better than accelerated Amigas do. E.g. 486/33 with ISA were usually slower than 030/50+AGA

Depends on SVGA chipset e.g. Cirrus's "Microsoft Windows 2D GUI accelerators (GDI) were among the fastest in the low-end market-segment, outperforming competing VGA-chips from Oak Technologies, Trident Microsystems, and Paradise (Western Digital)."

Around that time, my family's 386DX33 box has Cirrus Logic SVGA card (can't remember the model) and L2 cache. I think that 386 PC is still sitting in storage...

Cirrus GD-5422 was released sometime in 1992...

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@Leo

030 50mhz is slighly faster than 486 33mhz, if we are talking about Doom.

I know because that was my first PC, it had a turbo button wich doubles mhz to 66. Without it Doom was quite much unplayable.



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pavlor 
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@Hammer

It is rather OT, however:

Quote:
I don't think AMD was the dominant X86 CPU vendor i.e. Am386DX is an AMD 386 clone chip.


Cheap (under 1200 USD) computers in July 1994 still used 386DX CPUs on motherboards with ISA slots, 486 with VLB was little bit more expensive.

Am386DX was widely used in these cheap computers - it was cheaper than 486SX and faster than 80386DX from Intel (40 vs 33 MHz).


I have here comprehensive price list(s) form that time (hundreds of pages of hardware and software solutions...).

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