@linnar

That's incorrect Amiga Inc has not produced anything,

It was Haage&Partner that wrote AmigaOS3.5 and AmigaOS3.9, not Amiga Inc, it was done under signed agreement,

The same whit OS4.0, OS4.1, it was done by Hyperion under a buy back agreement, Amiga Inc when bust before product was completed, KMOS did buy Amiga Inc, KMOS changed name to Amiga Inc, so its not technical even the same company that we know back in 2001.

Because of the contract Hyperion how have product ownership, and world exclusive right to AmigaOS brand name.

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linnar wrote: @Arko [quote] Arko wrote: @linnar Amiga Inc contracted various companies to develop AmigaOS 3.9 and 4.x.

Most of this companies where not contacted by Amiga Inc. they contacted Amiga Inc and asked them if they can get a deal and Amiga inc. got always some money out of it, with minimum investment.

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If not Amiga Inc. had done so today was no AmigaOS 3.9 or 4.x.

Giving away the rights for AOS4 was not done to save the Amiga, it was done as 2nd income source that might have payed the rent for the office with 25$ for every released AOS4 version.

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@Arko

Workbench 5 comes with Cloacking Device built in,
so you don`t know what it really is.

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@zerohero

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zerohero wrote: @eXec As Hans said, "in your face".

I can't get that link to load, sigh....

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

This is strange that we are arguing about this...

to me a real amiga is a machine on with i can power on and go directly on workbech. That's why I'm still using my aone/os4....

I don't really care on witch hardware it's running on, as long as i don't get trouble to load any other os before getting to workbench. For me these are just another applications for windows or Linux or whatever os, cusa or any other developer,are trying to sell are not amiga.

From what i remember amiga was developed on Linux, and the got it's own os with is now independent. x86 or PowerPc does it really matter ? Can we at least agree that we do need improvement but not on the price on relying something else to boot.

if Hyperion continues development to an independent os, I'll still buy from them, regardless of the price of the hardware, if cusa manage to have a working stable os that look and fell anything close the what i'm using now without having to load something else before, the count me in. Otherwise I'll stick to my Aone and all my classic miggy up until they all dies on me.

call me crasy if you will.
Rick

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zerohero wrote: @eXec As Hans said, "in your face". Regards, Joachim Birging AmigaWorld.Net staff

where did you saw that I mentioned the word "face" ?

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@coyote

Dreams of real new x86 AmigaOS (not UAE or Amithlon) are nice,
but whole magic trick is that whatever CUSA PR say
THIS JUST ISNT IT.

Its not support to AROS or using AROS in any way.

There is no new code annaunced, just skins and emulation.

Thats something each of us can setup in Windows or Linux.

Sadly, that will be new Amiga of 2011 and will probably get more attention
then AmigaOne X1000 (or new SAM).

Using Workbench 5 as name is disputable, as it
a) should mean its fifth evolution of AmigaOS GUI, and it isnt
b) Workbench is as part of AmigaOS trademark of Hyperion
c) Workbench name was in legal dispute of Cloanto and AmigaInc
and was not transfered with licence purchase from Amiga Inc

It would be fair to call it Commodore USA OS, just like their Amigas
are not Amigas 2000,3000 ... we used to have but Commodore US Amigas.

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@Hans

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Hans wrote: @eXec Quote: eXec wrote: I do not understand what did you mean under "up in the face"? Please, feel free to explain me. He means "in your face" attitude. Hans

My dear Hans... He means wrong. That what he means is nothing other than
his own personal conclusion. He is a human being, so it means that he can
make mistakes as all of us others, human beings.

Hopefully out of this post, where I am explaining to you the past syntax error in 10,
comes nothing what can be transformed as a metaphoric material for several
other warning restrictions.

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So a little explanation to those who need an xtra help...

http://www.yourdictionary.com/metaphor

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@vox

oh! i see. Peoples are arguing about workbench5 !!
well in that case i would agree with you then. But I'm just curious if it will ever hit the streets. Many promissed the world in our likings but failed, maybe workbench5 will fallow the same path ((i don't wish cusa bad luck), but i can wait to see what they have in store.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @linnar That's incorrect Amiga Inc has not produced anything, It was Haage&Partner that wrote AmigaOS3.5 and AmigaOS3.9, not Amiga Inc, it was done under signed agreement, The same whit OS4.0, OS4.1, it was done by Hyperion under a buy back agreement, Amiga Inc when bust before product was completed, KMOS did buy Amiga Inc, KMOS changed name to Amiga Inc, so its not technical even the same company that we know back in 2001. Because of the contract Hyperion how have product ownership, and world exclusive right to AmigaOS brand name.

I wrote Amiga Inc contracted other companies to develop the OS after 3.1. Not that they developed the OS itself.
If Amiga Inc. not done so, it had never been any OS after 3.1.

I responded to the claim that "Amiga Inc has done nothing".

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Amiga Inc contracted various companies to develop AmigaOS 3.9 and 4.x.

(I think this is a post-construction!)
Anyway, as long as Amiga Inc. says "Yes" on a contract, it is Amiga Inc merit that there is an OS.

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Giving away the rights for AOS4 was not done to save the Amiga, it was done as 2nd income source that might have payed the rent for the office with 25$ for every released AOS4 version.

You misunderstood me!
The clause giving away AmigaOS was if Amiga Inc was closed.

The advantage of Hyperion to steal the Amiga rights.

I would not do this to a Discussion that will never end. Amiga community will find and interpret everything to the detriment of Amiga Inc. and all others who disagree with the inner elite of the forum. It is therefore no point in continuing discussions about who made sure that AmigaOS was created.

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vox wrote: @Arko Workbench 5 comes with Cloacking Device built in, so you don`t know what it really is.

What is "Cloacking"?

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@coyote

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coyote wrote: This is strange that we are arguing about this... to me a real amiga is a machine on with i can power on and go directly on workbech. That's why I'm still using my aone/os4.... I don't really care on witch hardware it's running on, as long as i don't get trouble to load any other os before getting to workbench. For me these are just another applications for windows or Linux or whatever os, cusa or any other developer,are trying to sell are not amiga. From what i remember amiga was developed on Linux, and the got it's own os with is now independent. x86 or PowerPc does it really matter ? Can we at least agree that we do need improvement but not on the price on relying something else to boot. if Hyperion continues development to an independent os, I'll still buy from them, regardless of the price of the hardware, if cusa manage to have a working stable os that look and fell anything close the what i'm using now without having to load something else before, the count me in. Otherwise I'll stick to my Aone and all my classic miggy up until they all dies on me. call me crasy if you will. Rick

You are not crazy!

I've been waiting for OS4 and hardware as well. But when I tested OS4 a year ago, I was a bit disappointed. I am also dissatisfied with the price of the available hardware.

But most of all, I have realized at AmigaOS is far too small a market and the PPC for PC just does not evolve anymore. I am a programmer and want there to be an outlet for what I develop.

I see no future in this project more than a hobby stuff for survivors.

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vox wrote: @coyote Dreams of real new x86 AmigaOS (not UAE or Amithlon) are nice, but whole magic trick is that whatever CUSA PR say THIS JUST ISNT IT. Its not support to AROS or using AROS in any way. There is no new code annaunced, just skins and emulation. Thats something each of us can setup in Windows or Linux. Sadly, that will be new Amiga of 2011 and will probably get more attention then AmigaOne X1000 (or new SAM). Using Workbench 5 as name is disputable, as it a) should mean its fifth evolution of AmigaOS GUI, and it isnt b) Workbench is as part of AmigaOS trademark of Hyperion c) Workbench name was in legal dispute of Cloanto and AmigaInc and was not transfered with licence purchase from Amiga Inc It would be fair to call it Commodore USA OS, just like their Amigas are not Amigas 2000,3000 ... we used to have but Commodore US Amigas.

x1000 is less than the Commodore Amiga x86 is!
No, it was wrong, x1000 is no Amiga at all, there is A-Eon!

Commodore decide what is the Amiga because they have the right to the name.

Otherwise it is up to each individual to decide what is "Amiga". But it is personal and can not be forced on anyone.

Why worry about "five" in WB?
Commodore select number.

For my part, it is natural to "5" because it makes a clean sweep against all other Amiga versions (I think).

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But when I tested OS4 a year ago, I was a bit disappointed. But most of all, I have realized at AmigaOS is far too small a market and the PPC for PC just does not evolve anymore. I am a programmer and want there to be an outlet for what I develop. I see no future in this project more than a hobby stuff for survivors.

I would like to know what exactly did disappoint you. For how long did you use it?


greets

linnar˙˙

@coyote

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coyote wrote: This is strange that we are arguing about this...

The question of the OP was:
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Does Workbench 5 = AROS?

There is a simple answer: No

Everything else is strange and even you got off topic.



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to me a real amiga is a machine on with i can power on and go directly on workbech.

This would not fit to the out of the box Amiga1000.

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From what i remember amiga was developed on Linux, ...

The Amiga was developed using Sun computers, Sun computers of this area where running on an OS called SunOS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS that is IMR a BSD variant they might have been (and this is another discussion about brand names) Unix computers.

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the got it's own os with is now independent. x86 or PowerPc does it really matter ? Can we at least agree

To be precise, this discussion is not about AOS4 and even AOS3 and it's development path from AOS1.x is off topic. The discussion went into strange directions because AOS4 fans are insulted by the name Workbench5. A brand name that was never claimed by Amiga Inc. or Hyperion, it might have its origin in the GUI for the Amiga but it was dropped in favor for the brand name AmigaOS.

Today the word "Workbench" isn't more related to AOS4 than the word "Window". CUSA announced a Linux distribution called Workbench5 and AmigaOS has a GUI called Workbench, Microsoft has an OS called "Windows" and AmigaOS has a graphical object called "Windows" I don't care !

Workbench might be a brand name by CUSA and they started a "5" as version number.
WindowsNT is a brand name owned by MS and they started with a version number 3 (3.5?) suddenly they jumped to the version number 2000 now they are back to a '7' as version number. No one cares, but just some (possibly AOS4 fans) got crazy when a company not related to their AmigaOS4, announces a product with the name Workbench5.

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@eXec

My dear exec, hans went to the trouble of doing your own home work, you were told you had an 'in your face' atitude and he went on explaining what it means, also it would be naive of you stating that through metaphor one would never have that kind of atitude, because it has nothing to do with it, one can surely put things in a 'aggressive confrontational, assertive, daring' way while using metaphors,..

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Amigo1 wrote: @linnar Quote: But when I tested OS4 a year ago, I was a bit disappointed. But most of all, I have realized at AmigaOS is far too small a market and the PPC for PC just does not evolve anymore. I am a programmer and want there to be an outlet for what I develop. I see no future in this project more than a hobby stuff for survivors. I would like to know what exactly did disappoint you. For how long did you use it? greets linnar˙˙

IMO we shouldn't touch this point, cause it is off topic and because the drawbacks of OS4.x have been said publicly on many fora. One could argue for the lack of USB 2.0 to the ultra low 3D performance (fps on Quake series) and from the lack of productivity apps, even though almost a decade has passed of evolving, to the extraordinary cash entry amount vs overall hardware performance.

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yes, you are right it's OT anyway.

@Arko

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Workbench might be a brand name by CUSA and they started a "5" as version number. WindowsNT is a brand name owned by MS and they started with a version number 3 (3.5?) suddenly they jumped to the version number 2000 now they are back to a '7' as version number. No one cares, but just some (possibly AOS4 fans) got crazy when a company not related to their AmigaOS4, announces a product with the name Workbench5.

The difference is Windows desktop OS and Windows NT are based on the same OS, plus they are owned by the same company. AmigaOS and Workbench are two different OS system by two different companies but the way its being presented/marketed as a related product.

Plus Microsoft wasn't too happy when a linux OS was called Lindows ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindows ) they went to court and lost.

"In 2002 Microsoft sued Lindows, Inc. claiming the name Lindows constituted an infringement of their Windows trademark. Microsoft's claims were rejected by the court, which asserted that Microsoft had used the term windows to describe graphical user interfaces before the Windows product was ever released, and that the windowing technique had already been implemented by Xerox and Apple Computer many years before."

This case might be relevant to Workbench name, was the workbench term used in other OS?

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