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damocles 
Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 26-Jan-2011 21:01:14
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@vox

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Let CUSA fan boys make a decision, it will be redicilous and nothing to do with AmigaOS,


True, they have nothing to do with the name Amiga OS since that is exclusively licensed to Hyperion. And that is about all you know of what is going on.

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 26-Jan-2011 21:14:25
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@bison

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They could do more, and hopefully they will. I would like to see a really lightweight system, with glibc replaced by uClibc, and a kernel stripped of unnecessary drivers. And a fast and light desktop, based on something like LXDE. There are a lot of possibilities.


Indeed there are. I look forward to future C=USA announcements on this subject so road map will be clarified. C=USA haters, will of course, come unglued.



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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 26-Jan-2011 21:55:27
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@damocles

as a "CUSA hater" I know what they publicly realise.

a) They promised AROS max support result: No support at all
b) Promised A1200 style case: no, its more a PC case you can get now
c) Launched websites etc. about their "OS" Workbench 5, but name is yet to be detrmined (however, seems they will use Workbench name as AmigaOS association)
d) No realise set date yet, but promises of CUSA Amiga launch were ... what automn 2010? Did they spaced the date
e) There are no OS or hardware specs anywhere to be found, as there is no real exponation of OS on that Commodore Amiga website (which version of Ubuntu, which components, how customized)
f) FAQ is not an answer to the user demand, but self explanation of washing the guilt to Amiga community
g) Used to be joke site, compared to whom A-EON and Hyperion website looked designed and informative
h) I am interested how this 100% Amiga and Commodore compatibility will be reached without Kickstart and Workbench files which are under licence by Cloanto and Hyperion

And that is very little. So who knows more, enlighten us.

All time critizing Amiga dreamers style, while both website uses same kind of rethorics, and forums tend to be same dreamlike discussions + add x86 flavour

To me, its more cloacked then "vaporware" X1000, "obsolete" and "unofficial" OS 4.1.3 alltogether.

@exec

And for exec, you say CUSA contacted Hyperion and was turned down.
About what? Is there any communication? What was intention?

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 26-Jan-2011 21:59:45
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@vox

why are you repeating the very same things in every post?


BTW, Leo wanted to do AROS. He still wants it but he can't. The end. If you want AROS on Commodore Amigas to be officially supported, petition Hyperion because it's the only way it could happen.

But that's a moot point because you'll be able to run AROS anyway.

I have answered all of your questions on probably more then 1 occasion. PM me if you need it again, no need to clutter the thread.

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 26-Jan-2011 22:11:08
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@WolfToTheMoon

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But that's a moot point because you'll be able to run AROS anyway.

Are you sure? Will sound work? Will ethernet work? Will SATA work? In the worst case AROS works unstable, or without this and that.

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 26-Jan-2011 22:13:00
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@phoenixkonsole

You can run it hosted and it would work flawlessly.(Linux hosted AROS is probably the most stable version anyway since most of the development so far has been done that way, IIRC)

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
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@vox

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@exec And for exec, you say CUSA contacted Hyperion and was turned down. About what? Is there any communication? What was intention?


I am not your library worker that brings you books from shelves. It is all among CUSA
threads here. Search through them if your pocket calculator can do multiple tasks.
And for the future, you are officialy on my ignore list. I have nothing to do with
the radical oriented people. So, good bye Vox, forever!

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
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@WolfToTheMoon

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@vox why are you repeating the very same things in every post?


It`s always like that.. i have no more strength to read that....

Each post is a tribute to the "copy/paste dejavu"...

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 26-Jan-2011 22:17:15
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@WolfToTheMoon
: ) HAHA! Maybe AROS hosted is stable but most application crashes on hosted(LINUX i386)... if it would be better i would release this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj6qC94k1oQ

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 2:39:43
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@phoenixkonsole

Go for it.... I will start using it as soon as you release it. The only reason I do not use AROS as my main OS is the lack of an office suite, and no flash support.

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 2:43:03
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@fatman2021

why not do it yourself? It's easy enough. =]

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 5:23:36
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T-J wrote:
@eXec and damocles

Oh, I'll grant you that some people on this thread are being less subtle about it than Mr Nigro. But you can't reasonably claim that he doesn't lace much of he says on these forums with a strong dose of contempt for this community.
/../

Do you find it strange when someone dislikes to be slaughtered?
At times it is pure slaughterhouse here (but it has gotten better).

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 6:18:12
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@vox

It is annoying that this constant war against other opinions!
Can not you stop fighting now and start discussing the issue instead?

It is amazing how many people here tolerate, attack after attack and they continue to write peaceful and nice.

vox, you will not know that the more you write crap the more it becomes distance between you and others?

You give the amiga world badly jerked!

To the point:
AmigaOS is not accepted by AmigaInc therefore the agreement is enforced.
AmigaInc has signed a deal with Commodore voluntarily and come out with support for the Commodore. Therefore, it is considered so that the Workbench 5 on x86 is the natural continuation of the classic Amiga. Everything else is the clones!

Aros will be supported for those who feel better about the clones.

Hyperion has painted himself into a corner with his clone for PPC. The hardware they are developing will be an expensive snail. Is it a PC for $ 2000EUR/3000$ with an OS that are short on drivers and have a market of around 100 people targeted by the Amiga community?

But you may fade, the Commodore comes to the rescue of the Amiga community.
Success for Commodore create larger market for clones. When there are more people to clone forums, the permanent war to stop.

Everything can only get better!

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 7:48:09
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@linnar
No! CUSA is no the rescue of what we understand under AMIGA! It would be the end!

No unique OS means no unique computer..... Imagine Apple's Intel-switch would mean no MacOS, just Linux or Windows.... That's the case with CUSA.

The C64 remake is cool, what they plan for Amiga is not(for Amigans).


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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 8:55:36
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@linnar

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AmigaOS is not accepted by AmigaInc therefore the agreement is enforced. AmigaInc has signed a deal with Commodore voluntarily and come out with support for the Commodore. Therefore, it is considered so that the Workbench 5 on x86 is the natural continuation of the classic Amiga. Everything else is the clones!

OMG that is just such a crazy statement, actually I consider it trolling.
Good luck with your CUSA Linux distro, if it ever becomes a reality

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 9:17:10
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@linnar

Quote:

linnar wrote:

It is annoying that this constant war against other opinions!
Can not you stop fighting now and start discussing the issue instead?

It is amazing how many people here tolerate, attack after attack and they continue to write peaceful and nice.

vox, you will not know that the more you write crap the more it becomes distance between you and others?

You give the amiga world badly jerked!


You wonder why people in the community aren't happy... And then you write:

Quote:

AmigaOS is not accepted by AmigaInc therefore the agreement is enforced.
AmigaInc has signed a deal with Commodore voluntarily and come out with support for the Commodore. Therefore, it is considered so that the Workbench 5 on x86 is the natural continuation of the classic Amiga. Everything else is the clones!


You're trying to enforce your opinion as fact there, stating things about "natural continuation", yet you do not accept that this is just an opinion, and that many, many people here are of the opinion that a totally unrelated and incompatible OS for PC hardware is not a natural continuation. Think about it, what do you expect?

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 9:20:04
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@linnar

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AmigaOS is not accepted by AmigaInc therefore the agreement is enforced.


Please, see my post 213 in this thread...

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vox 
Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 9:23:55
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@linnar

LI>I just distant from people like Exec who now claim AmigaOS 4 is not OFFICIAL LI>AmigaOS or your crazy statement

AmigaOS is not accepted by AmigaInc therefore the agreement is enforced.

It was just given by AmigaInc to Hyperion to develop. AmigaInc settled in court
and generally lost rights over OS. You should get the name before.

LI>AmigaInc has signed a deal with Commodore voluntarily and come out with LI>support for the Commodore. Therefore, it is considered so that the Workbench 5 LI>on x86 is the natural continuation of the classic Amiga. Everything else is the LI>clones!

I am amazed by your imagination over relation and you claim that PPC community unrealistic. Bit more, I am surprised people like Aussie, Exec or you, who obviously have been long on AW.net are that easily converted to x86 zealot for no reason: no AROS development or real x86 AmigaOS, just some elses case.

By the name, name of OS, and case design these are verry bad clones.
Worst ever.

LI>Hyperion has painted himself into a corner with his clone for PPC. The hardware LI>they are developing will be an expensive snail. Is it a PC for $ 2000EUR/3000$ with LI>an OS that are short on drivers and have a market of around 100 people targeted LI>by the Amiga community?

Should we check on prices of high end Amigas in 90s or just current price of PowerPC expansion card for classic? You wish same as Apple, to sell nothing special to the masses (any Mac of today from hardware side is just a little bit branded PC) for a bit higher price. But contrary to the Mac, you don`t have the OS, and neither are creative and developing company to do the revolution.

Two words: RETRO RECYCLE

And to your benefit, I have said all I had, typed it, not copy pasted it each time.
So I will not make a joy of discussion in any CUSA related forum, since I considered it non Amiga product even its named Amiga. Simply, Amiga is where is AmigaOS.

LI>But you may fade, the Commodore comes to the rescue of the Amiga community.
LI>Success for Commodore create larger market for clones. When there are more LI>people to clone forums, the permanent war to stop.

I plan to live 60 years more. I don`t see any rescue of this community.
Good luck with large market of clones, so far I see a lot of broken promises
and censorship.

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Re: Workbench 5 = AROS?
Posted on 27-Jan-2011 11:45:51
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@phoenixkonsole

What I write is my opinion, nothing more.

They are planning a retro Amiga500 also if I understand correctly.

Last edited by linnar on 27-Jan-2011 at 11:47 AM.

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@Troels

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Troels wrote:
@linnar
Quote:
AmigaOS is not accepted by AmigaInc therefore the agreement is enforced. AmigaInc has signed a deal with Commodore voluntarily and come out with support for the Commodore. Therefore, it is considered so that the Workbench 5 on x86 is the natural continuation of the classic Amiga. Everything else is the clones!

OMG that is just such a crazy statement, actually I consider it trolling.
Good luck with your CUSA Linux distro, if it ever becomes a reality

There is no statement there is an opinion!

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