@T-J

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T-J wrote: @linnar I'm sorry, are you suggesting that one needs to be 60 years old in order to use the AmigaOS?

No, no, then I said wrong, completely wrong.

vox write:
"I plan to live 60 years more."
I asked how old he is now if he will live another 60 years.

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@pavlor

So are the iAmiga and UEA4Droid folks using a license from Amiga Inc? I notice they don't support a hard drive and hence boot directly to games.

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@Daedalus

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Daedalus wrote: @opi Do you think the MorphOS guys would be happy if I released "Wanderer 3.0" for x86, which was basically Ubuntu with an MUI-looking skin, and otherwise totally 100% incompatible? I don't think they would(...)

I think the MorphOS team wouldn't care. And why should they?
Hint: Wanderer is not their business, but that of AROS.

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@damocles

OK, lets say we do not know who is the real legal owner in Amiga Inc mambo jumbo, but we do know Cloanto is only legal seller. There needs to be this kind of contract to include needed files in OS with AmigaInc or Cloanto, since its closed source and copyrighted. Only when such agreement is reached, Amiga emulation can be promised.

I might be wrong about backward, but its obvious that Hyperion has rights to AmigaOS and its components beyond 4. Every Amigan knows Workbench is OS component and Workbench 5 indicates AmigaOS 5. So its derrived right from the agreement.

Can you please summ me the "shoe in the mouth" achievements before CUSA adventure?

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@pavlor

Looks like dead end situation where no one, but Amiga Forever package can`t grant 100% Amiga compatibility as claimed by CUSA.

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@vox

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OK, lets say we do not know who is the real legal owner in Amiga Inc mambo jumbo, but we do know Cloanto is only legal seller.

No, AI is the owner, Cloanto is licensed to sell/distribute. That does not stop AI from licensing it to others.

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There needs to be this kind of contract to include needed files in OS with AmigaInc or Cloanto, since its closed source and copyrighted. Only when such agreement is reached, Amiga emulation can be promised.

If they are going to be using 3.1 or earlier, then yes, there has to be a license at which I would guess AI would be the cheapest to get a license from.

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I might be wrong about backward, but its obvious that Hyperion has rights to AmigaOS and its components beyond 4. Every Amigan knows Workbench is OS component and Workbench 5 indicates AmigaOS 5. So its derrived right from the agreement.

I would say your wrong since the trademark is issued to Cloanto and that is what AI is objecting to with the USPTO. If AI is happy with C=USA using Workbench and they achieve victory over Cloanto with the USPTO, then it's all legal. There is nothing in the settlement that covers the term "workbench" as far as the license agreement with Hyperion.

Here is a sample of Barry's background, which seems to be missing one or two things but it's good enough for CnP job:

"Barry S. Altman is the President and CEO of Commodore USA, LLC, B. Altman & Co. and Homecraft, LLC, all headquartered in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Spanning a 25 year career in the bleeding-edge electronics and satellite / space telecommunications industry, Mr. Altman founded and served as CEO & President of Cabletech Satellite Systems, Inc., U.S. Cable Technology, Inc., The Cabletech Satellite Network and United Broadcasting Co.

This group of companies have built cable television head ends for cable companies throughout the United States, and have designed and constructed the uplink network operation centers for such companies as Viacom International, Warner Amex, Viacom and MTV Networks.. They directed and produced the domestic satellite telemetry downlink for the Live Aid concert for MTV, which was at that time the largest world wide deployment of a live satellite television broadcast. Cabletech has designed and installed systems for Grumman Aerospace, The United Nations, government and private industry, and over 45,000 TVRO C& Ku band satellite systems for consumers nationwide. Cabletech was a developmental partner with General Motors & Hughes Communications in the small aperture DBS system that later became DirecTv."

Pics of their Chinese factory:

http://www.homecraft.us/page/page/5386656.htm

Pics of his FL based store:

http://www.homecraft.us/page/page/4597493.htm

I'd say Barry is one of the most qualified executive to take charge, probably dating back to post Jack Tramiel days. Does your shoe need some salt and pepper?

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Oh, that's not a bad CV at all.

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@Zylesea

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Zylesea wrote: @Daedalus I think the MorphOS team wouldn't care. And why should they? Hint: Wanderer is not their business, but that of AROS.

Sorry, Ambient 3.0... I'm pretty sure you understood my point though.

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The AMIGA OS is the last part of AMIGA left that makes AMIGA feel, be used, like an AMIGA but it seriously needs to move with the times on a more affordable platform.

It doesn't matter what AMIGA OS runs on to GIVE the AMIGA experience/feel with the AMIGA configuration/usability.
Not making it available for the masses and keeping it expensive is not going to keep it going. That being said, The AMIGA name doesn't make AMIGA feel like or use like an AMIGA either.

Companies involved in reviving the AMIGA environment/spirit/feel need to COLLABORATE and help each other revive this wonderful user centric environment. Until that happens, AMIGA will continue to fade away till there is nothing.

It will take more than one company here to achieve this. It will take time and serious effort to achieve as well.

The End.

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@SHADES

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SHADES wrote: @ALL The AMIGA OS is the last part of AMIGA left that makes AMIGA feel, be used, like an AMIGA but it seriously needs to move with the times on a more affordable platform. It doesn't matter what AMIGA OS runs on to GIVE the AMIGA experience/feel with the AMIGA configuration/usability. Not making it available for the masses and keeping it expensive is not going to keep it going. That being said, The AMIGA name doesn't make AMIGA feel like or use like and AMIGA either. Companies involved in reviving the AMIGA environment/spirit/feel need to COLLABORATE and help each other revive this wonderful user centric environment. Until that happens, AMIGA will continue to fade away till there is nothing. It will take more than one company here to achieve this. It will take time and serious effort to achieve as well. The End.

Agree!

Had all collaborated to get the Amiga phenomenon again, we would today perhaps had a level that would be self-sustaining.

Rather than building people up small broken parts of the Amiga Clones and threatened with trial as often as you change the shirt.

Amiga community at various forums for a full-blown war against each other. There are fewer and fewer members. The low level of Amiga production can no longer carry yourself is reached. The dream remains a dream.

Amiga community must be the most stupid community who are in the world.

Now, I think, that there emerged a unique opportunity that can boost the Amiga again.
What does the community for this opportunity?

Well, believe it if you want, but they start a new war with this historic opportunity!?

The result is that the new unique opportunity, may have to try to get the heavy burden of success while the community relegated to the bleachers.

Unfortunately, the current Amiga community deserves it!

This is my opinion!

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@linnar

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historic opportunity!?

Amiga branded computer with Linux? Nothing new...

Remember dAmiga (around 2000/1)?


When CommodoreUSA releases its products, we will see how much Amiga look/feel is in them.

@pavlor

a look and feel like this i would expect

@Wraith2021

Like I said over at C-A.org, that doesn't really look good to me...

I'd stay away from those MUI skins. WB X should go the modern way, not mimicking OS 3.x or OS 4.x.

The dock is OKish.

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It obviously won't have the boing ball, or the wallpaper, but it is having a ram disk and workbench drive, so its gonna be close to this in basic design, but more Commodore. It will have a dock as far as i know.

@WolfToTheMoon


Not sure where you got mui skin from ... But it looks to me he was simply using an os4 skin on amiwm. You can skin it any way you want tho. By default it looks like os3.1 iirc.

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@Wraith2021

So nothing more than familiar skin?

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @linnar Quote: historic opportunity!? Amiga branded computer with Linux? Nothing new... Remember dAmiga (around 2000/1)?

I remember!
I do not mean os or select the hardware, I think the Amiga option is the guy behind the Commodore. When he arrived, the Amiga community should talk to him about what he can do and how it should be done. Aros or AmigaOS had a real strong possibility here.

What were they doing instead?
Talked s k i t about him and his ideas.

Then he packed up and went their own way!

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When CommodoreUSA releases its products, we will see how much Amiga look/feel is in them.

Well, now they must deliver the good stuff.

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terminills wrote: @WolfToTheMoon Not sure where you got mui skin from ... But it looks to me he was simply using an os4 skin on amiwm. You can skin it any way you want tho. By default it looks like os3.1 iirc.

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/advsearch?searchuser=metalmac&exactname=1&childforums=1

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@linnar

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Amiga community must be the most stupid community who are in the world.

Well, , thank you for that.

Shall we go over there and spew rude, uncalled for rantings about that group?

We did not create this mess. The now AInc did.

With statements like that I just hope Bill & Fleecy get deeply involved into
their business.

@linnar

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Rather than building people up small broken parts of the Amiga Clones and threatened with trial as often as you change the shirt.

Barry has been the one throwing legal threats around, not this community.

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Now, I think, that there emerged a unique opportunity that can boost the Amiga again.

No. There's an opportunity to have the word 'Amiga' written on some computer cases again. If you ask me, that opportunity isn't worth discussing.


@damocles

We already know what you've posted about Barry's history. It went up in a press release ages ago, and users of this forum and others did some investigation around that. What those users discovered was a chain of startups listed under the Homecraft brand and variants thereof, failing to provide tax information to the state of Florida and being closed down after a few years because of it. And nothing else.

Needless to say, it didn't inspire confidence. But I presume you've got a different version to share?

You see, the majority of the hostility is arising because the community feels that CUSA is just another AmigaInc style outfit. Some of the Ainc people had impressive CVs as well, remember. Unfortunately, CUSA have responded to this initial suspicion in such a way as to reinforce it, rather than defuse it.

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