@Mechanic

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Mechanic wrote: @linnar Quote: They are no part of this community, they will take the lead over it! Well of course they will. After all, as you said.... Quote: Amiga community must be the most stupid community who are in the world. And then...... Quote: Unfortunately, the current Amiga community deserves it! Good thing you are not part of this community and posting in its' forums, as people looking in might know that you are stupid to be here. And you are not stupid, , , are you? Do 'they' like stupid people?

It was mostly a vivid description of the Amiga community internal constant fights. The people in the community is usually good and friendly. It is simply a strange culture that practiced over the years.

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@Arko

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/../ CUSA has an F.A.Q. and some people here could read. Workbench5 will be a Linux distribution. Workbench5 probably not Ubuntu Here are some misinformed people writing still above Ubuntu. I remembered a thread where BiGBenTheAussi/Leo wrote something like "it will be no Ubuntu". Ubuntu is a great Linux distribution if you want to use it an average x86 desktop system. If you know what hardware will be installed you would not need Ubuntu.

I have heard that it is Ubuntu!


EDIT:

I have looked through all Leo's statements but can not find that ubuntu is the Workbench.

I found only this:
"Workbench 5 will use the Gnome window manager."

Last edited by linnar on 29-Jan-2011 at 09:35 PM.

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@linnar

CUSA doesnt have a realistic FAQ but some answers to themselves.
FAQ doesnt tell anything real about WB 5

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@vox

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vox wrote: @linnar CUSA doesnt have a realistic FAQ but some answers to themselves. FAQ doesnt tell anything real about WB 5

They have clearly said that very little is told before the product is presented.
Exceptions are made for the C64. It is a very deliberate plan to show the C64 before it is finished.

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@linnar

It would be a real FAQ if it would include ten 10 users questions such as:

1) Company background
2) Short Amiga history, at least at Amiga Inc level, including development after 1994
3) At least what can be publickly known of WB 5.
4) Short Commodore 64/128 history
5) As much as possible about first coming product x64
6) Complete agreement with Amiga and on transfer of Commodore rights.
These documents are not only private, they are public.
7) rights to use files needed to emulate both CBM and Commodore Amiga computers
list of what is included with OS and what can be used (ADF file archive sites etc.)
8) Strategic partnerships
9) At least some announcment of realise dates (2nd quater 2011, 2012)
10) At least one hardware or software guy employed and listed

Until then its all vaporware by Wikipedia definition

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@vox

There will probably more later.
They have clearly expressed the desire not to say too much before the products are presented. They do not make the same mistake as AmigaInc.

Here at the Forum, I have read much criticism of those who tell a lot of what is to come.

C = decide what should be in their FAQ. I suspect that they so choose carefully.

However, I believe that it does not matter what C = do they get bad criticism yet of you and a few more.

But, who cares?

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@linnar

Well, until they respect basic conduct of bussines and some realistic PR
they are really vapor by wiki definition. Bad website and agressive PR do not make products or sales. It might be just might opinion, but its CUSA moves solely that has lead to criticism. You should learn from that instead of being ignorant. I would be more then happy if there was a company conducting much better then Amiga Inc.

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Looks like due to the recent Settlement between Amiga Inc and Cloanto
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91183272&pty=OPP

CommodoreUSA is no longer using Workbench 5 as the name. Once again proving that C=USA using names before they checked weather they could use it.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
From the forum:-
"Well, as you may have realised we were never firm on the name of our Commodore OS. So Commodore OS it is.
Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand.
It is definitely stronger than the Workbench name also.
It probably didn't make much sense as the name of the OS on the C64x and we were thinking of calling that Commodore OS anyway.
Our initial thoughts were to go with Commodore OS, well before we got the Amiga trademark licensed.
I am greatly relieved at the outcome actually, as the Workbench name gave rise to an immense amount of fanciful expectations of what our OS will be. "

Now I'm just wondering does this mean Cloanto now could use the name? Amiga Forever renamed Workbench 5

Who actually own Workbench name and who can use it?

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i dont know way but i feel like putting op this link

http://www.merlancia.us/

tar and feathers

The next goal will to be remove the boing ball background image from there site and every other boing ball.

Last edited by djrikki on 01-Mar-2011 at 09:05 PM.

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@amigang

So Cloanto has rights to the name Workbench, but not the code itself -- is that correct?

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@bison

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So Cloanto has rights to the name Workbench, but not the code itself -- is that correct?

Cloanto can use the name Workbench and Workbench/Kickstart 1-3 files. Only Hyperion can use source code.

I'm glad Cloanto had their rights upheld and yes its great to see that CUSA can no longer
abuse the WorkBench name with their Amiga branded C64 & Amiga emulation box.

I agree the next logical step would be to prevent CUSA from using the Boingball logo in
a manner that cant be ignored, ie in association with a imitation.

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@retro

hey whats the exact story behind the website?

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@Panthro

dr ryan was a 19/20 years old man that clamid that he was 40 years old and had a phd and his company had 650.000 dollers and he was about to make the next generation amiga computer and,he allso broght some design by amiga inc of the amiga mmc with amiga has dumped in the last minut as there say. dr ryan was a layer and did some froud, and he was selling some porno pics with some crak hores with amiga computeres. he even scammed and old commedore amiga enginere and in the end he was exposed on that site,
sorry for my bad english

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsYdwGjryI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOVEUTRir4E

@Panthro

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Panthro wrote: I'm glad Cloanto had their rights upheld and yes its great to see that CUSA can no longer abuse the WorkBench name with their Amiga branded C64 & Amiga emulation box.

Irony ? 'Cause we all knwo Cloanto sells Amiga (Forever) branded emulation packages and might use the word Workbench for it.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@retro
outrageous! (that story made my day )

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@retro

Wow I must have missed that!! Thanks for the info. you have given me a some amusement :)

@Arko

LOL, yes! I missed the irony of it.... but I will say this, cloanto have always behaved in a reputable fashion and have never abused the Amiga Workbench name, this has kept
them in high regard in the Amiga world (their target audience).

Conversely CUSA (the commodore imitation company) has tried to shamelessly promote
their emulation box by:

A) purchasing there "Amiga" name for use as a brand name
B) using the name Workbench with the version number 5 for the sole reason of deception.
C) Insisted that (B) is false (how dumb do they think we are?!? )
D) Claimed that their X86 box is a real Amiga (the product) when it only has the name as
a brand.
C) are still using the boing ball to the same end.


well time will tell...

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@retro

Wow I must have missed that!! Thanks for the info. you have given me a some amusement :).
in the old days or in the end before amigaNG, there was a good humor in the communaty.wee even had 2 or 3 amiga magazine comming out ind mainstreme shops in denmark.. i love the one called "amiga advis" it was in danish too it was an coincerdent that i found out about it.i i broght it ever since. også "amiga format" was in high and relley good qualaty,
i think i will start to sucrabe agen to total amiga or was it amiga futhure.

amyway there was a great humor back then thease days are soo depresing..i relly locking forward to summer time..
iff you wanna here more about docter ryan. ther is alot off topics on amiga.org and maby on amigans.net

it even came to that point that amiga engineres went out to the communty with warnings of this scamming young man,

@retro

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53694
http://landley.net/history/mirror/commodore/haynie.html

Can you shed some light on the relationship you have/had with Merlancia?

I had known Ryan Czerwinski, somewhat casually, through the Amiga community. He made my Summer 2000 house party, I guess I saw him a few other times, like the 2001 Gateway show (I was interested in AmigaDE for use in the Phoenix STB). A weirdo, sure, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing in my business.

As I was coming off the Met@box disaster, and not thinking terribly clearly I suppose, Ryan came by my 2001 summer party (also my 40th birthday party) and offered me the CTO job at Merlancia. Far as I knew, Merlancia was a small company based in Arizona, doing a variety of hardware projects, and funded by Czerwinski, who was apparently independently wealthy. Early on, things seemed to support that. For example, I flew with Ryan to meet with Bill McEwan at Amiga, Inc.; Ryan claimed they had about $650,000 ear-marked for his set-top/small computer project. Not a king’s ransom, but a reasonable amount for the work at-hand. So no alarms immediately.

The alarms began soon enough, though. First thing, Ryan was trying to weasel out of the agreement we had (verbal/email, sure, but that’s precisely the same as a full written contract, for the purposes of employment). Secondly, his supposed secretary, Christina, was making executive level decisions about who got paid, etc. Then there was the growing list of former associates of Merlancia’s, all of whom seemed to be owed substantial money.

We brought Skal Loret and Fred Wright on that fall, and that’s where things really started breaking. No one was getting paid. Ryan was disappearing for days at a time. He claimed to be an engineer, yet was stumbling on the most basic of things, and clearly had no concept about how engineering was done, or the time frames involved in product development. I guess, in retrospect, he knew his house of cards was falling, and wanted to get _something_ before it crashed.

I should have got out then, but I stuck it on for a few more months, and the lies just got thicker. The sad thing was, Skal and I had outlined a very real product strategy, using OEMed boards, to deliver a product that Skal could actually sell. Basically, nearly everything Ryan and Christina did from November 2001 to February 2002 could be explained as little other than sabotage.

So I spent some time, dug deep, and discovered that, basically, it was all a sham. Merlancia, as I’m sure some of your readers know, was nothing more than a storefront, with a few Amiga things for sale, and a bunch of that junk that Christina sells on eBay. Christina turned out to be Christina Czerwinski, Ryan’s mother. Ryan turned out not to be rich, but perhaps supported by a trust fund by his father (never married), who is apparently well-to-do and living in Florida.

And as it turns out, Ryan himself was the biggest lie of all. He was not an engineer, or a college graduate, in fact... I have my doubts about High School. He wasn’t 40, as he claimed, or “maybe in his early 30's”, as I guessed, but in fact, 19 or so at the time. So boy, did I feel stupid, being fooled by a kid, even if, as Skal guesses, he’s from Gypsy blood. Thing is, you don’t expect this level of fraud. I mean, he got to make some enemies, destroy any possible reputation he would ever have in the computer business, miss a genuine opportunity to actually BE something like what he pretended to be, probably wind up being chased by the IRS at some point (did he every pay FICA and all that other withholding he took from the little salary any of us got?) and what did he get in return? The right to day “Dave Haynie – CTO” on his web page for a few months. Idiot!