It was already decided it goes to alt.OS but in reality there is no OS or the hardware yet, just some agressive PR especially towards Amiga community and some censorship towards criticism. I feel that this abuse of AW.net as well as I believe I am not alone. Moderators should agree that majority should decide, so lets see what the poll with say

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@vox

I wonder if we should allow mudslinging against CUSA when they haven't actually done anything yet. No product out, just a webpage. Voted 1.

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@vox

Voted 2. of course. For now they are just producing hot air and general moderation rules should apply. If they have a real product (which I doubt it will ever happen), then it should be discussed.

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I voted no.4 I've been keeping the moderators busy the last few weeks.

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@Manu

True in real products world. No product was realised yet, but Phoenix.
But, they have done a lot ... bad and false and missleading moves (9 points)

However, problem are not CUSA announcement and constant changes of mind,
but Amiga websites flooded with CUSA promos that just dont belong to AmigaOS websites.

My list of what CUSA "has done so far for Amiga"

1) Used all other Amiga case designs to promote their unexisting product (e.g. Dream Amiga) and it turned out they use standard pre produced PC Case for Amiga 1000-4000 line. Failed promise.
They are still here as "future models"
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_FutureModels.aspx

2) Promised big AROS support, dropped AROS and decided not to pay even for needed drivers (AROS Community expectations were bigger, and they said in announcement
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_News.aspx#
In response to an overwhelming demand from Amiga users worldwide, Commodore USA’s CTO Leo Nigro announced today that their new Amiga branded computers will be fully AROS compatible, and that they will be supporting the AROS open source community in every way possible. Mr. Nigro states “With the monumental strides that AROS has recently achieved, we realize the importance of accelerating this progress with funding that will enable this project to rapidly move forward and take it’s rightful place at the forefront of desktop operating systems”
and then in the FAQ
1. Why aren't you doing AROS?
We were most enthusiastic about AROS, however various issues came to light after our AROS announcement that could potentially undermine our utilization of it. While we will not be officially supporting AROS, we will endeavour to make hardware choices that should enable our machines to be viable and stable targets for AROS.

3) Threatened OS news with sue, because they have published article presenting that this is not real Amiga and that AmigaOS4 exists (and mentioning that Hyperion said in forum they might sue CUSA).
and then
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_FAQ.aspx#Q1

4) Abused Workbench 5 name that belongs to AmigaOS 5 and launched web site
where they promote it - creating greater confusion is their OS AmigaOS or not (answer: its not, they just want to look a like) Promised whole pile of OS`s for those machines now down to Linux with changable name and Amiga skin.

5)Launched massive Internet campaign where no history of Amiga after 1994 is mentioned. It looks like they are continuation of Commodore Amiga`s
On several websites acted like they are Amiga Inc. e.g. claimed that Amiga.org and several web sites are using their trademarks etc.

6) And CUSA fanboys have constantly been bashing down OS 3.x, OS 4.x, MOS and even AROS users as "stone age" "obsolete" "dead" "not modern" etc. etc.

7)Used exact Amiga modeling name as Commodore Amiga to create confusion.

8) Fanboys even tried to dream of AmigaOS x86 while no real licence for porting any AmigaOS to x86 has been purchased

9) Created one of the FAQs that just dont give any answers and presented no legal documents, contracts or real partnerships (not as links but as agreement who will do what) in their big endevour
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_FAQ.aspx

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@vox

Is this poll in the right section?
It was my understanding that the CUSA machines would be running Linux.

I don't see why they can't post here as long as they stay on topic.
I would draw the line at promotions though as this site is for Amiga related operating systems.

May as well start promoting OSX and windoze 7 otherwise.

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@TiredofLife

Agreed. Once their WB5 or whatever is realised, off course general Linux, UAE etc. questions can be posted in such sections. You can see above that problem is created by their bashing of other Amigas and Amigans, unrealistic PR, failed promises, try to present themselves as Amiga omnipotent, to present their OS as kind of wanna be AmigaOS etc.

Few users who protested in anger and curse words were stayed away or get abused points by TOS.

But also all of their posts could get abuse points as being off topic, just like you have mentioned.

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@all

Current equal draw

It should be discussed after the product is realised 29 % (7)
It shouldn`t be promoted at all at AW.net 29 % (7)

Please help us decide!

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@vox

I voted for "Not be promoted etc." as AW.net is Amiga centric, whereas CUSA is Commodore -centric. Commodore is known for a wide range of architectures, including the AMIGA range. And hence, CUSA can rightfully promote their PC's as Commodore produced them too, but please, please not here. I like to see (and keep) this site orderly and tidy.

No interest whatsoever towards CUSA from my side.

OldFart

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@vox

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Current equal draw

It is now, after I voted, 8 vs 12.

OldFart

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@djrikki

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I voted no.4 I've been keeping the moderators busy the last few weeks.

You could also donate some money to amigaworld.net to compensate moderators for time spent dealing with such pointless abuse reports.

@ruben

Some people doesn't understand that it takes two to argue.
I could have hit the abuse button many times too but I'm just a clone fanboy
so I guess I have thicker skin.

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If you want to read and discuss their (?) products......go there.

If you want to read and discuss our products............be here.

If you need to bash our systems, this community, our companies/people....go there.

Should they get something 'off the ground', and people come here looking for
assistance,,, how will they want them treated? What shall we tell them, and
with what attitude?

Shall we collect up all the rude, nasty, uncalled for comments and present them
to anyone stumbling onto this website looking to be part of something more than
what's sitting on their desk?

As far as what is going on, relative to cusa, right now.....what goes around,
comes around.

Well..... I'm off to the SDLBasic website to promote VisualBasic.

@vox

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It shouldn`t be promoted at all at AW.net 29 % (7) Please help us decide!

If CUSA has a license for the name Amiga they could shut down this board, so it's on the users here to decide if they want CUSA as friend or foe.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

they cannot shut down any board... as long as it's a non-profit organization, nothing can touch any amiga-related website.

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@vox

It's time for another OS 4 user to try and get stuff they don't like thrown off the site. It used to be MorphOS and AROS, but now there's a new enemy!

It's so predictable. Really, this issue is not that serious.

Chris

@WolfToTheMoon

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WolfToTheMoon wrote: .. as long as it's a non-profit organization

This WWW page has an income through banner advertisement, This could hardly count as "non-profit"

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

edit: comment removed, never mind, not worth discussing this realy....

Last edited by Metalheart on 04-Feb-2011 at 01:33 PM.

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@vox

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It was already decided it goes to alt.OS

Not really.

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Treat it as off-topic except in General Technology, Alt Amiga OS, & Free for all. - 51%

source

And when people discuss non-released hardware products in the "Amiga OS4 hardware" forum, the policy has been to move it to General Technology in most cases. (examples:cherrypal/limepc/ etc.)

From what I can see, most C=USA discussion is taking place in General Technology, so I don't see any major policy difference being in place. Dare I ask why you do?

#6

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@Arko

Only thing I see is that they have licence for the All In One keyboard computer
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_News.aspx#


Company to produce new line of Amiga branded keyboard computers
FT. LAUDERDALE, FL. and MAPLE VALLEY, WA. August 31, 2010 – Commodore USA, LLC and Amiga Inc., today announced their licensing agreement whereby Commodore USA, LLC will produce a full line of new AMIGA branded “AIO” (All In One) keyboard computers, under an exclusive worldwide license granted by Amiga Inc. for this newly revitalized computer category.

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In my opinion, ego of both company and fanboys is too large for what they really have.

True, comes around, goes around, play with fyah, burn by fyah

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