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No one wants to run AmigaOS except for a few hundreds here. If CUSA's products don't sell, it certainly won't be because they don't run AmigaOS.

sour grapes!!

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You talk as if those products exist when quite frankly, they don't.

Oh, I'm aware of that, I'm just analyzing things using currently available information.

BTW, for me everything is vapor until I can buy it and have it. So CUSA's stuff, AmigaOne X1000 and Sony NGP are all vapor at this point.

@Panthro

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sour grapes!!

Either that, or statement of reality. Take your pick

@terminills
They didn't write 3.1 they re-wrote it for PPC though and hold as an excusive 68K 3.1

@Ruben
your concept of "vapor" is a little too convenient, given the discussion at hand. The X1000 and Sony NGP were shown in public already working and "real", so they arised to a higher form

Cusa's stuff is 100% vapor at the moment with no-one ever seeing anything than it's not a rendering or stock photo of a third party case.

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@DAX

Doesn't matter... 3.1 has nothing to do with any of the current companies/OS' other then cloning the API. having an exclusive lic doesn't change the fact they had nothing to do with authoring it. =]

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@vox

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vox wrote: @Arko If they would stop promoting NO product so agressively and bashing to us, leave the Workbench 5 name (CommodoreOS) ..

I don't feel bashed.

The Amiga never belonged to us, the Amiga belonging to the "Amiga Community" is an Idea you quickly should forget. The Amiga belonged to Commodore and they never listened to the "Community" until they where bankrupt. Then came GW2000 and Amiga Inc. Jim Collas and Fleecy talked to the community, but their decisions where contrary to everything the "Community" wanted.
Some people here thought Hyperion made them "their" Amiga, but Hyperion never had the license making an Amiga and most of their OS decisions where not driven by the Community. ( But I don't want discuss what Hyperion's did and didn't )

Important fact: Amiga never belonged to the Community

And now CUSA only used, what the "Community" never had, the right calling something Amiga. The right selling an environment called "Workbench", a name that was forgotten, a name Hyperion, Genesi or the MorphOS team something most people here never claimed for "their own" AOS flavor.

If you are feeling offended, by a company announcing a Workbench, you should accuse the company that was stupid enough not claiming the right for their own product.

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@terminills
you are mighty wrong, as OS4 isn't an original OS and it shares with all the rights in the world a part of the source code with 3.1.
Only on OS4 you can run a real Amiga environment where you can have Amiga applications of any kind running in the same envirnment and communicate with each other via Arrex (think ArtEffect4 communicating with blender, communicating with Dpain4), they share the same DNA and they are one the continuation of the other.

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@DAX

Believe what you want it doesn't change my view.

I'm pretty sure MorphOS can do everything you said. IIRC

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@DAX

If you want to go into levels of "vaporness", that's cool.

It's just that my concept of vapor (which is way older than this thread, FYI) comes from the fact that I've seen and worked in products (in both startups and big corporations) that made it into very functional prototypes that were shown to the public, but never got to market for some reason.

@vox

can't vote because it's missing the 'post in Linux' forums option

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@BillE

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I would hardly call being associated with Amiga Inc something to be proud about.

I'm sure Eyetech and Hyperion may agree with that, in private at least. However, be as that may, AI does not have it's hand in C=USA management decisions, it just license out it's IP with it gaining whatever financial rewards for doing so. Just wait for the network TV adds to hit, it will explain many things on what Barry has been working very long hours on. It'll be popcorn time!

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Believe what you want it doesn't change my view.

The years I used to "believe" are gone, the switch from 68K to PPC was dictated by Motorola nor Apple or Commodore could do anything about it. Apple was a solid company and performed the transition, Commodore went bankrupt, but in anycase AmigaOS was PPC bound regardless.
For a few years there was no company producing new models but Phase5 provided everyone with a chance to upgrade to PPC. A couple of PPC "extensions" were made, then a group went on to build an AmigaOS clone to be used on such boards, while the owners of the Amiga patents were still "confused" (to put it mildly).
Eventually Ainc decided that Hyperion should take OS3.1 and build OS4 even though there was a binary compatible clone ready to go (I don't want to enter any dispute here, and such project went ahead pretty fine nonetheless so, cheers to all of us ^__^).

Besides, Nothing stops being what it is because it is continued by new capable humans who are given the duty of taking what there is and evolve it.
The A1200 running 3.0 wasn't made by the original team, nor the HW nor the OS, but one thing is clear: A line-up of technology products goes on regardless of the engineers at the helm at any given time as long as these engineers are in charge to take exactly what's there and progress from there.


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I'm pretty sure MorphOS can do everything you said. IIRC

it could (it doesn't as far as I know, for a couple of reasons it would have a hard time performing my specific example, but that has nothing to do with my point) but that doesn't change the fact that the product line evolved from OS3.1 sources is still commercially developed, available and continuing its life with its usual name: Amiga Operating System version X.X

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I voted 1.

Some people have been begging for an x86 port and a more modern OS for years. If CUSA can give that to them, why not?

Is it an Amiga? Well that all rather depends on how you define Amiga. It's different things to different people, I think there are 5 broad categories of how this goes:

1 - It is original 68K / PAD hardware (Classic)

2 - It has the same characteristics as the old machines (Minimig / FPGA Arcade / Natami).

3 - The OS is derived from the original (OS 4).

4 - It provides the same experience (MorphOS / AROS).

5 - To the final, and probably by far the biggest group, It doesn't matter what it is as long as it plays the old games (UAE).

CUSA falls into 5 and possibly 4. So having CUSA discussed here is not different to what is done already.

I never went through the whole 68K -> PPC transition so to me an "Amiga" is still 68K and has a sound chip called Paula.

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but in anycase AmigaOS was PPC bound regardless.

Didn't they plan PA-RISC machines? I do not remember correctly, but I do believe that PA-RISC was preferred to PPC, because they could make their own modifications to the chip.

Hombre specifications

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* A 100 MHz PA-7150 microprocessor * An advanced DMA engine and blitter with 3D texture mapping and gouraud shading * 16-bit resolution sound processor with eight voices

So no PPC for Commodore

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yes sure, try explaining them the cusa's stuff is a PC with a camouflaged gnome, while AOS4 is the direct PPC translation

You haven't seen the OS that will be going on the big box Amigas yet. You don't even know what hardware will be in the bix box Amigas either. OS4 has to run 68K in emulation, just like x86 does, it's a matter on degree of how much the CPU has to work and the brute strength of the CPU in question on emulation smoothness. Like it or not, OS4 does not run on modern Amigas, it runs on AmigaOnes, Amigas with third party PPC accelerators, SAMs, and Pegasus. End of story.

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@WolfToTheMoon
PPC is a natural consequence due to the nature of CPU itself but as a matter of fact Commodore went bankrupt before laying out a real blue print for the next Amiga.
AAA wasn't even close to completion and was very late, Hombre, as Haynie stated, was never meant to be an amiga (being less compatible than PC gear in his words).
Those are the last things Commodore is known for. The rest I have no data or interviews about.

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Cusa's stuff is 100% vapor at the moment with no-one ever seeing anything than it's not a rendering or stock photo of a third party case.

Correction, I have as well as Redrumloa and Red's friend (forgot his nick, sorry) have held the C64x in our hands as well as the Vic series.

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@damocles
A forumer helding something in private of a non Amiga product? (we're talking Amiga here in particular)...

Besides AmigaOS treat 68K nothing like x86 Gnome, it only translate 68K code to PPC on the fly and executes it in the same environment like any other PPC program. And as a matter of fact the day Gnome will be able to let its version of Open Office communicate with Amiga 68K pagestream via arrex is the day you will be able to tell it's the same...

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Dr. Hepler: Hombre was to be the next generation Amiga. I did the architecture, did a set of C-level cycle-correct models to perform performance simulations, then did M models (a Mentor Graphics proprietary hardware description language) to synthesize the control logic. Other M models described the data paths and I had a couple of engineers starting to do transistor level design of them. Hombre was to be a complete system in two chips.

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/21helper.txt

Also

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/ludwig.html

PA-RISC was to be the successor to the 68K Amigas if Commodore lived, not PPC.

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minator wrote: I voted 1. Some people have been begging for an x86 port and a more modern OS for years. If CUSA can give that to them, why not?

Ohh ? CUSA never has announced an x86 port of AmigaOS.

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