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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 16:30:16
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You can ask me to accept all sorts of things about your vision of the future, but I can't ask you lot to accept that there was a history of the Amiga platform after 1994?
Seems rather one sided to me.
Basically, it boils down to you CUSA bods sweeping the entire post '94 history of the platform under the carpet. Having now read your history pages, I also see the vast majority of the pre '94 stuff is under there too. This annoys me.
Still, I don't expect you to get it. It is almost impossible to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it. |
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 16:57:00
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Still, I don't expect you to get it. It is almost impossible to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it. |
So you finally worked it out.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 17:02:41
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Trying to explain some things to a certain group of people is equal to taking a bus of blind people to watch the Avatar, in 3D...
On the end, they would say that the new technologies are not so "touch responsive" and "user friendly"....but they sound good... Last edited by eXec on 08-Feb-2011 at 05:21 PM.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 17:08:40
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Good one.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 17:12:33
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um.... why is this thread still going on? it has nothing to do with the original post at this point. can we just drop this for now? those wanting to continue discussing CUSA and/or their product plans would find commodore-amiga.org more appropriate.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 17:16:21
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Aw, you spoil all our fun.
I see your point though. The thread should probably be ended. For the health and wellbeing of all involved. Last edited by T-J on 08-Feb-2011 at 05:17 PM. Last edited by T-J on 08-Feb-2011 at 05:16 PM.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 17:16:54
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At least somewhat back to the subject, with apologies.
The way I see it is that you should first get a product out the door. Then, as a long time member of AW, post a news item with link(s).
In the meantime, a thread or two about what you're doing should be acceptable. As long as it does not bash or troll, and report those that do, both for and against.
I can understand your fervor over this project, but the future needs to be written when it happens. This isn't really the place, or the time, for 'promotions' of a yet to be product. ---------------------- Should the OS4 users of this community embrace your product, then certainly questions about ??? How do I network my CUSA to my SAM ??? or ??? What format should I use so a USB stick will work in both computers ??? would be germane. And I'm not talking about two people, constantly posting, creating threads, and being general PITA to others. ( We already have our own.)
What if you acquired a SAM or X1000 just to dink around with and posted questions or comments in a 2 page thread, and the very next post was somebody praising the CUSA Cxxx and asking if some game will be available soon ? And then 3 more posts from 3 more people about the same or different Cxxx issue before you can even reply to the first or hit the report button. Do you apologize to the thread? Do you give up on the subject? Change your name? Seek OS4 help on CUSA site? Strike up a conversation with the scofflaws, take over the thread, and 'Screw everybody else'?
What will happen to X1000 fanboys when they invade a Cxxx CUSA forum and take over a thread because they know you have one?
Slowly, I'm just saying, proceed with caution. Getting what you wish for may turn around and bite you.
One last question to you only, and please do not answer. If B.H. replied to your post #347 this thread, and simply stated his POV, how much flack, and how many personal attacks would he be subject to?
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 17:18:53
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And which thread around here has even after 20-30 posts to do with the original question/con-station/fact ? Last edited by eXec on 08-Feb-2011 at 05:47 PM. Last edited by eXec on 08-Feb-2011 at 05:19 PM.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 17:32:34
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Have you seen Hyperion's FAQ lately? You're asking way more of C=USA than you're asking of Hyperion themselves:
FAQ
This isn't about David vs. Goliath marketing budgets. It's a classic example of the low standards Hyperion's followers are happy with, even when expecting great things for the platform. It looks like you're trying to get Hyperion's rival to fix their past mistakes for them. Anything rather than take Hyperion off that pedestal.
I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong, but what have you demanded from Hyperion's marketing before? What have you demanded they do to appeal to a wider audience?
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 18:21:38
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You can't blame Hyperion for NOT having a page where they talk about Amiga history though.
Another thing would be if they had a faq with history points omitting everything that happened from 1994 till today. "No" history page means just that, no history page.
If you do make an history page however, omit all that's happened after 1994 and claim you're "finally" back, please allow people here to raise an eyebrow...
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AboutAmiga.aspx
Sorry, but even before PPC boards were ever made, no Toaster professional in his right mind used vanilla HW. I had (and still have) a GVP GForce 040 + RTG card, and similar solutions (more powerful CPUs and video chips) were avaialble even way before that (as early as 1989). By 1994, Amiga had become an Operating system which run on HW not necessarily compatible with OCS machines (think about the 68060 for example, hardly 100% 68000 compatible) way, way before Commodore demise. Eventually PPC expansion cards were made, Power support was added in OS3.9, and quite frankly an AmigaOne is not much different from such set-up as the 68K part is taken care of by Petunia while the rest is RTG (with a very high level of compatibility with anything that did run on Classics using such a set-up). Besides, AmigaOS is still developed for Amiga expanded Classics even today, with full compatibility between A4000 expanded, AmigaOne 1ts gen, Sams and AmigaOneX1000.
Playing like all of the above never happened, that Amiga disappeared and now they're bringing it back, in spite of AmigaOS being still alive kicking and commercially avaialble and developed, not to mention that the next in line AmigaOne is about to come out, sounds like absurd to me. _________________ SamFlex Complete 800Mhz System + AmigaOS 4.1 Update 4 Amiga 2000 DKB 2MB ChipRam GVP G-Force040 Picasso 2 OS3.9 BB2 AmigaCD 32 |
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 18:27:32
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And why can't you blame Hyperion for not having a history page about the Amiga? If they had a history page then they would have the history of the AmigaOne. If they fail to market themselves that is thier fault noone elses. Nor is it anyone else's responsibility.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 18:34:57
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And why can't you blame Hyperion for not having a history page about the Amiga? If they had a history page then they would have the history of the AmigaOne. |
I think their section on Amiga OS serves that purpose in their mind. You may not agree, you may not like the lack of emphasis in its placement on the site, but it seems to be history. Iirc, they were engaged in a lawsuit over the operating system and not principally over hardware.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 19:18:30
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| @terminills I wasn't talking about advertisement, or promotion. I was talking about being accurate when you decide you want to build a page on Amiga. Amiga might have been entangled in a legal dispute, but all you can do in such a case is to wait for the dispute to end and then evolution goes on by those entitled to it. Now Cusa comes in and wants to tell the world (with that page) they are the ones bringing back something that already exist and that basically never went away, moreover while you don't hide what those machines are in your forum (or so I heard) they do so on that page pretty much. Nobody is asking Cusa to advertise Hyperion/Aeon products, but it would be great if Cusa, to avoid confusion and conflict with both Hyperion and the community, would state clearly that what they will be building is a Gnome based x86 PC inspired by Amiga.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 20:37:51
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You Can improve Amithlon to yours machines. Full compatibility with 68k app (no custom chipset emulation), but very fat RTG system. microkernel linux to support andy hardware you want.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/amithlonopen/
it's an alternative solution to any other project. Amithlon however is not open-source operating system. i think you have to contact Haage& Partner Last edited by Seiya on 08-Feb-2011 at 08:38 PM.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 20:56:17
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| @Seiya I don't know if I got this correctly but I recall Amithlon being stopped by Hyperion in some sort of legal action. Details are welcome...
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 21:46:29
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We are trying to promote C-A.org as a friendly and relatively flame free place where people can discuss the creative elements of our products in a collaborative atmosphere. This should be what the Amiga community is about. Not the constant bickering about the purity of this or that system which has become quite tiresome. |
Now that I think about it, this reminds be a lot of the '80s Amiga/Atari ST rivalries. Those were the good old days.
Amigans are never really happy unless they have a well-defined enemy. I think this comes from the agonizing incompetence of CBM, the constant threat from other systems, and years of barely hanging on.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 22:02:39
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would state clearly that what they will be building is a Gnome based x86 PC inspired by Amiga. |
That would be valid for WB5 but not for WB6.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 22:09:29
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| @damocles since at the moment there's none, i would begin replying about the still non-existent first one...
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 22:09:35
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But honestly, something cross platform capable could potentially rejuvenate every Amiga-like community. |
Well maybe, but I don't think so. AmigaOS, MorphOS, and AROS together all add up to something that still rounds down to zero.
On the other hand, putting an Amiga theme on top of Gnome doesn't have much potential either. I'm an Amiga user from 1985, and a Linux user since 1998, and I can barely stifle a yawn. If this is really what CUSA plans to do--and not some kind of "we make joysticks" smokescreen--then they haven't identified an exploitable niche yet. Linux is a good start, but not with Gnome. Ubuntu and Fedora both have a huge head-start on that.
If CUSA is going to market something called Workbench, then it has to have some substance, something that is *better* that what is already out there. One suggestion: go to Ars Technica and read John Siracusa's review of OS X Snow Leopard, especially all the complaints he has with Apple Finder, and then implement a workbench that fixes these problems. Then you might have something that will make people sit up and notice.
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Re: [Poll] Should CUSA posts and promotions be allowed at AW.net now and in the future? Posted on 8-Feb-2011 22:15:07
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