@bison

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On the other hand, putting an Amiga theme on top of Gnome doesn't have much potential either. I'm an Amiga user from 1985, and a Linux user since 1998, and I can barely stifle a yawn. If this is really what CUSA plans to do--and not some kind of "we make joysticks" smokescreen--then they haven't identified an exploitable niche yet. Linux is a good start, but not with Gnome. Ubuntu and Fedora both have a huge head-start on that.

Again WB5 is destined for C64x and Vic series. WB6/WBX is destined for Amiga series. I don't think too many Amiga users will be blown away by WB5, but it's not really for them but the folks who buy C64x or Vic. If the Amiga users want to be impressed, they will more then likely have to wait for WB6's release on the Amigas.

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@damocles

If it's not not for us then why is it going to be called Workbench5 at all, only to smear Amiga OS4 by giving it a higher version number (surly, wouldn’t it be more logical and less insulting to start at 1 and call it something else?)

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@damocles

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If the Amiga users want to be impressed, they will more then likely have to wait for WB6's release on the Amigas.

These are laughable pipedreams my friend. The C64x is likely to flop and with it the plan for Commodore Amigas. This isn't a new dawn, it's saber rattling by a company who thinks they got a license for valuable Amiga IP when all the core value now belongs to Hyperion, including the trademark 'Workbench'. Why are we still talking about this? And who the hell is Barry?

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@damocles

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Again WB5 is destined for C64x and Vic series. WB6/WBX is destined for Amiga series. I don't think too many Amiga users will be blown away by WB5, but it's not really for them but the folks who buy C64x or Vic. If the Amiga users want to be impressed, they will more then likely have to wait for WB6's release on the Amigas.

Are they going to have Workbench 7 for the Osborne range?

@BigD

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These are laughable pipedreams my friend. The C64x is likely to flop and with it the plan for Commodore Amigas.

Depends on how you define "flop". By common standards, the AmigaOne, Pegasos 2, SAM 440 can be considered a "flop". And that won't be any different for future hardware such as X1000 and SAM 460.

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@BigD

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This isn't a new dawn, it's saber rattling by a company who thinks they got a license for valuable Amiga IP when all the core value now belongs to Hyperion, including the trademark 'Workbench'.

Do you have any proof that Workbench belongs to Hyperion?

Can you prove it with some real evidence? I tried to find it but with no success...

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@eXec
Evidence could be in the very definition of the Amiga Operating System, which is described as a kernel named Exec + disk operating part named AmigaDos + Gui environment named WorkBench the latter being the "Exterior" part of the OS.
In the settlement they state that Ainc cannot license the original OS to third parties, any part of it, (not only if it is the very same, but also something reprogrammed that is too similar).

It would seem they licensed the "exterior" part though.
The "inside" OS is Gnome, but the camouflaged gui laid upon it (made to act somewhat amiga-like I'm sure) could fall in the case above when its called exactly the same as AOS exterior part, which is an integral part of the OS itself, an OS Ainc cannot license to anyone as whole or in part.

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@eliyahu

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um.... why is this thread still going on? it has nothing to do with the original post at this point. can we just drop this for now?

Funny how some people want to ban CUSA out of aw.net, but CUSA-related threads end up being the more popular ones around here. I wonder why that is...

@DAX

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DAX wrote: @eXec Evidence could be in the very definition of the Amiga Operating System, which is described as a kernel named Exec + disk operating part named AmigaDos + Gui environment named WorkBench the latter being the "Exterior" part of the OS. In the settlement they state that Ainc cannot license the original OS to third parties, any part of it, (not only if it is the very same, but also something reprogrammed that is too similar). It would seem they licensed the "exterior" part though. The "inside" OS is Gnome, but the camouflaged gui laid upon it (made to act somewhat amiga-like I'm sure) could fall in the case above when its called exactly the same as AOS exterior part, which is an integral part of the OS itself, an OS Ainc cannot license to anyone as whole or in part.

But there are many Workbenches.... It is the same thing like someon says that microsoft got the rights on "OS" and no one other can use the word OS for his operating system...
Or am I wrong?

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actually that is a good example windows is a generic term used in describing
modern OS's GUI's there actually WAS a case about that.

The result: MS still owns the "Windows" name so guess that means that "Workbench"
falls under that precedence.

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@eXec
you mean a physical (ie:wooden) workbench or the fact that from 1.0 ro 4.1 there were many iterations of WB?

In the first case, of course those workbenches would have nothing to do with an operating system, a different thing is the "exterior" (GUI environment) part of an OS which goes along with an Amiga branded computer, which also happens to be similar in look and behavior to a namesake AmigaInc. IP (Workbench) which is part of AmigaOS.

To make things clearer:

AmigaOS innards are Exec+AmigaDos, CommodoreOS innards are Gnome/Linux.

The exterior part (gui environment) for both is called "Workbench".

Workbench in CommodoreOS, plays the same part as in AmigaOS, it can only represent the Gui environment of the latter (since the innards are Gnome/Linux based, so what else can it represent?).

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@eXec

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eXec wrote: But there are many Workbenches.... It is the same thing like someon says that microsoft got the rights on "OS" and no one other can use the word OS for his operating system... Or am I wrong?

T: Hi Joe.
X: HI Bob. What are you driving nowdays?
T: Mustang.
X: Mustang! Best damn car Ford ever built if you ask me.
T: Oh! No,,,this is a Toyota Mustang.
X: ????? WHAT! ???

@Mechanic

You mean Toyota MustangOne right?
Because obviously in that analogy we'd be Ford.

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@Mechanic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustang_%28motorcycle%29
http://suchen.mobile.de/privatfahrzeug/Kreidler-139984932.html

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@BigD

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These are laughable pipedreams my friend. The C64x is likely to flop and with it the plan for Commodore Amigas. This isn't a new dawn, it's saber rattling by a company who thinks they got a license for valuable Amiga IP when all the core value now belongs to Hyperion, including the trademark 'Workbench'.

Hyperion does NOT have the trademark, "Workbench." You may argue that Cloanto has the trademark which AI is challenging. If you Hyperion did have the trademark, they would be the ones suing Cloanto and not AI.

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@BigBentheAussie

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You mean Toyota MustangOne right? Because obviously in that analogy we'd be Ford.

Or would the analogy be better about Ford Escorts. Horrid reliability until Ford replaced the power plant with Mazda's 323 power plant. I had one for 15 years until this fall when I finally sold it, still going strong.

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@damocles
It's not about who has the trademark, in the end Ainc. owns AmigaOS 3.1, but they cannot license it as a whole or in part.
Workbench is the gui environment of AmigaOS (thus one of 3 "parts", Exec-AmigaDos-WorkBench), and I don't think they can license that trademark to be used as the name of the gui environment of another Amiga computer.

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@DAX

They can license anything to C=USA that is not exclusively licensed to Hyperion or some other company.

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@WolfToTheMoon
AmigaOS is exclusively licensed to Hyperion, and Workbench is its GUI environment.
I don't think that licensing that trademark for the exact same purpose(and for a computer named Amiga) isn't a breach.

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@DAX

Only AmigaOS, AmigaONE trademarks and their variations are exclusively licensed to Hyperion/A-eon. The rest is not.

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