@OldFart

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OldFart wrote: I take it that you will publicly, in the sense of 'here', admit your being wrong when the X1000 makes its public appearance?

Probably rather an "at least", I think after good year delay there is not much reason to jingo-jingo. Not even the betaboards have been shipped completely, hence with the betatest not really started yet I seriously doubt that the enduser version will come before this (northern hemisspere) summer.
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Better still: you will immediately buy one?

Probably not. But if it at least arrives I will check price/performance ratio for me and if the result will be good then it yields to a purchase by me. With current information I seriously doubt that though.

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@wawa

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wawa wrote: i just wonder how much credibility of this particular project seems to be backed up by impression on individual features of its apparent founder. is there any other argumet to trust?

I guess it is better to scream scam and liars instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt??
Everyone with half a brain cell would know that delays can happen and are infact a common thing when it comes to computers. I personally think they were a bit naive during first announcements when it came to deadline, but it is idiotic to think it is a scam just because that deadline wasnt met.
Did you think that the PS3 was a scam when it was heavily delayed as well?

Also why would hyperion go through the trouble of porting their OS if they did not have any reason to trust trevor and his company?
There have already been prototypes shown to the world...

You should also remember that both aeon and hyperion is a small company with very limited resources compared to most companies in this industry. I would have been amazed if they actually did release on deadline considering how such delays are extremely common in the computer/electronics world due to unforeseen issues.

The delay might not even be related to hardware and might even be due to issues they run into while porting and serious bugs that need to be squashed before release.

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@eliyahu

i actually do not doubt that it is doable and that actual work has been put into it, and that there was some sort of prototype. also even if i do not have any emotional experience to trust trevor or whomever else involved, also dont have anything to the contrary, blue eyes or not. i know that hans delivers, as well as hyperion usually deliver (in the end). but the visible progress is so slow as it seems to stall. therefore i very much doubt that this development is something that community can gather around. especially that it is so pricey that it will remain very elite and in effect will further fragment even the os4 club into x1k and second rate sam owners. it is just the oposite of what i could call a visionary project given the reality of this scene. therefore i stand sceptic.

@Tomas
from what i understand, aeon isnt even a factual company doing the real development. it should be varisys, i take it. aeon was created to contract them and to distribute the product when it is ready. so if there are technical problems then varisys is to blame which seems not logical if they are an experienced company. we cannot apply both yardsticks as we like here, either we have to do with amateurs/startup or with professionals, either of both.

@wawa
So now you're not allowed to build a high-end (amiga high-end..) computer because it's to expensive for most people and creates an elite. I remember the days when I only had an A1200/040 and my friends had A4000's, I felt so second rate....Not!

It's probably to expensive for me as well and IF I have had the money to invest I would also have focused differently but that's another story

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but the visible progress is so slow as it seems to stall. therefore i very much doubt that this development is something that community can gather around. especially that it is so pricey that it will remain very elite and in effect will further fragment even the os4 club into x1k and second rate sam owners. it is just the oposite of what i could call a visionary project given the reality of this scene. therefore i stand sceptic.

i don't think the issue is 'visible progress' being slow, per se. it's that everything was very public for so long, with news coming bit by bit, and then shortly after amiwest, 'all quiet on the western front.' i doubt you or others would be as concerned had not we all been so 'plugged in' to where things were up until late last year.

i can't say why A-EON has 'gone quiet,' or why they set a ship-date that passed; only they know. i do know that the next issue of amiga future has an update direct from trevor, so hopefully we should know more then.

as for a 'fragmentation' effect, i really doubt that. i have one of the least performant OS4 systems (a SAM440ep-flex board), and i don't feel worried at all. i don't worry about being 'second-rate,' either. technology moves on and gets better. the X1000 will be the fastest OS4 system-to-date; the existance of slower systems in no way should hold up its introduction. the real issue is cost. if the X1000 was close to the cost of a SAM460, folks wouldn't have an issue with 'elitism.' it isn't elitist, it's merely the cost of development. besides, the market will decide in the end.

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@TrevorDick

project is continuing as planned.

All due respect Trevor but that's kind of rude...

@Troels

i dont want to beat a dead horse, but i wasnt talking about anyone else building other custom hardware, although such projects exist. guess what i do have in mind.
nevertheless somone stated before that it is sometimes depressing tho remain around here. i guess the thing that troubles me is the general notion of waiting. year for year there are announcements and secrets, whatever it is called, map, x... just look back at the time wasted.

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@Trixie

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You have been around for long enough to know that MooBunny is full of frustrated haters who would go to great lengths to sling mud on anything and anyone. It could as well be called PooBunny, that site. I fail to understand why you bring a piece of unfounded crap post from an anonymous Moo-ser here. Have you not been warned of your trollish posting behaviour of lately?

My right is to ask about things that are not clear to me. If you find that incompatible
with your mental circuits , or you don`t know the answer, stay away from my posts.
Read again my questions in the very first post and you`ll see that I asked, not claimed
something. About your reply there is not much more to say.
You spread the words of hate and primitiveness. I reported you, but apparently it is
allowed to use words like crap and to be negative and sarcastic as you, not to mention offtopic, so i give you back one as you unfriendly gave me.

I never heard about Moo Bunny and because of that I asked here.
But like "them" who are frustrated haters there, you are one frustrated hater, here.
You posted also a huge amount of craps and nothing about that.

@Trevor

Thank you for quick reply

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@eliyahu
i just hope x1k will not introduce standard features that do not well scale down to sam.

@wawa

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i just hope x1k will not introduce standard features that do not well scale down to sam.

ah, ok, i think i understand your point better. i hope so also, other than support for xena/xorro, which i would understand. i don't think hyperion has done that to date, though, between the various NG platforms. and with finally bringing classic machines up-level, my confidence level is high on this one.

eh, but who knows. maybe it would be a good way to get me to buy an X1000.

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@wawa

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wawa wrote: @Tomas from what i understand, aeon isnt even a factual company doing the real development. it should be varisys, i take it. aeon was created to contract them and to distribute the product when it is ready. so if there are technical problems then varisys is to blame which seems not logical if they are an experienced company. we cannot apply both yardsticks as we like here, either we have to do with amateurs/startup or with professionals, either of both.

And this is the case also in the x86 world with many brands.
Acube did not produce their own hardware either and that did not stop them from releasing anything.
The simple fact is that none of us know what is going on behind the scenes and that such delays are common from time to time.

@pampers

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pampers wrote: @TrevorDick project is continuing as planned. All due respect Trevor but that's kind of rude...

Of course that had to come from a guy with a MOS logo..
It might have been a bit bad choice of words, but i think most people here knew what he really meant with that line.

Also as someone else pointed out here the new deadline when it comes to beta boards is by end of this month.

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You posted also a huge amount of craps

Link, please? I will gladly learn from my own mistakes.

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@Trevor:

Thanks for the small but important statement. The Nay-sayers would have taken any answer out of proportions, giving a negative swing to it.

A-eon: Take the time needed to get a stable (enough) system out then soon all the waiting will be forgotten.

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@Tomas

my point is that either you say we can trust in the project because have to do with professionalists like varisys, which is difficult to pair with the delays, lack of news on the progress and so on. especially that in that case aeon would have free hands to take care of public relations prior to the release. on the other hand, if we have to do with hobbyist project/startup like natami actually run ba aeon, which assumption makes unclear what role varisys is playing here, it would justify the delays and unprofesionality.

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@Kicko

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http://diagrams.wiringschematics.net/view.php?filename=933zx81_personal_computer.gif http://www.mainbyte.com/ts1000/good_schematic_hi.jpg

I'm wondering did that one guy spend the whole afternoon to find the original drawing of a joke.

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@wawa

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wawa wrote: @Tomas my point is that either you say we can trust in the project because have to do with professionalists like varisys, which is difficult to pair with the delays, lack of news on the progress and so on. especially that in that case aeon would have free hands to take care of public relations prior to the release. on the other hand, if we have to do with hobbyist project/startup like natami actually run ba aeon, which assumption makes unclear what role varisys is playing here, it would justify the delays and unprofesionality.

It dosent really matter if it is big so called "professional" company or not when it comes to such delays.
Take for example my previous example with the PS3.. That one was delayed by years compared to original announcement and same thing is the case with software companies like for example microsoft as well.
In this industry there is often unknown problems that surfaces during development, so it is extremely hard to make a deadline on before hand.

I do think they should have waited with announcing release date until they could be more sure they could meet it though.

I just think it is way too early to call them untrustworthy.