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Re: OS4 and Classic "FUSION" : Overview and Tutorials Posted on 14-Mar-2011 9:28:25
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Once finished, you can upload the tutorial in, pdf for example, to the Tutorial's section of AW.net. Or as html, i which case it can be hosted in another forum like IntuitionBase, from which it can be linked in AW.net, Amigans.net, A.org, etc. That way there will be less restrictions for the images.
And maybe also you can post a tutorial and some videos in AmigaOS.net; there is a section for tutorials and videos there.
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Re: OS4 and Classic "FUSION" : Overview and Tutorials Posted on 14-Mar-2011 10:42:21
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| @emeck I think this knowledge should be prominent as it is considered very important by Amigans, the tutorial section of AW is really hidden, It took me over a year to find out it existed! Maybe a "classic amiga on OS4" section on AmigaOS.net could be a nice idea...
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Re: Picasso96 Posted on 14-Mar-2011 12:11:36
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Re: Picasso96 Posted on 14-Mar-2011 12:30:33
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| Is it possible to get this working on modern TFTs?
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Re: Picasso96 Posted on 14-Mar-2011 14:23:14
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No, because his fixed res suxxxx.
If you scale the game to the LCD native res, and then apply de scanlines, maybe you can ger good results.
The problems is that we don´t have multisync devices anymore .... |
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Re: OS4 and Classic "FUSION" : Overview and Tutorials Posted on 14-Mar-2011 15:14:28
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| @Dax, do you think any CRT will work? |
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Re: Picasso96 Posted on 14-Mar-2011 17:02:39
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| @fingus
AFAIK this is something that's only possible with CRTs and because of that there are "scanline" options in emulators to simulate the effect. |
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Re: OS4 and Classic "FUSION" : Overview and Tutorials Posted on 15-Mar-2011 11:44:29
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| @hotrod Quote:
do you think any CRT will work? |
What you need is a multisync CRT VGA monitor, the ones that up until a few years back, were the most common PC monitors all around the world!
The AmigaClassic screen mode in the Picasso96 tutorial, was tested on 2 different 17" monitors from Philips, a 15" from Sony, a 17" from Relisys and on 2 different 21 inchers, one from Samsung, the other is my SGI branded Sony model.
The good thing is, up until now all worked like a charm, and a case of the classic screen-mode "not-working" on a multisync CRT is still unheard of at this point.
Of course, we cannot say with 100% certainty that anything works, for that we would need to try it on everything first :)
Still I don't see why similarly specked multisync CRT Monitors wouldn't accept the same mode...(and up untill now it always worked).
Stick with good brands though, Philips and Sony are the best for CRT.
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Re: Picasso96 Posted on 17-Mar-2011 15:44:24
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| @fingus I see you keep asking about it, so thought to give you a more detailed reply here (where you asked it first):
LCDs to run classic Amiga games are a really bad idea for the following reasons:
1)Looks Even if you use simulated scanlines they won't look half as good as the real ones you get on CRTs. On the latter the scan lines (after you turn the contrast up at the optimal level) will look slightly thinner than the colored lines (as per original) while this will not happen on LCDs no matter what (generating a different look).
Moreover since E-UAE does not support anything more than "doubled" screens, you will not get the games full screen, but surrounded by a very big black border all around (even worse if you are using a 16:9/10 screen).
2)Framerate E-UAE on AmigaOS does not support v-sync, and most Amiga games did run at 50hz. Simply put you will never get correct frame-rate.
3)Perfomance Untill Jit-Uae comes up, we are stuck with current versions which allow for great perfomance only on real 320x256 screen modes. If used at higher resolutions (no matter if you use simulated SL or not) you will have a crippled experience where correct audio, and smooth scrolling cannot be achieved.
As I said elsewhere, there are the new 200Hz LCDs for 3D vision, these, coupled with either Jit-UAE and/or a much more powerful computer (probably an X1000 if you want to use our current versions of E-UAE) will solve the frame rate issue along with sound and overall performance at 640x480 (virtual SL or not).
As far as the perfect look goes though, CRTs will be unbeatable even then, and they also allow you to have visual perfection right here right now by spending ¤30 at alocal market or off ebay. No need to wait
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Re: Picasso96 Posted on 17-Mar-2011 21:54:19
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Very nice job! And it's cool seeing my "box of wonders" in a starring role. Now I need to hook up a CRT and give this a go. _________________
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Re: Picasso96 Posted on 19-Mar-2011 14:06:40
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| @mbrantley I know you have a couple of nice ones there Let me know if you need any help!
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Re: E-UAE TUNING Posted on 20-Mar-2011 23:34:59
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DAX wrote: @delshay What exactly do you have clocked at 100Mhz? The Cpu or video chip?
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Bvision card.
100Mhz (Bvision card) standard on my cards but like i said before in another thread has gone much higher with CybergraphicX (modifyed driver) adjusted in the software driver for Bvision on CyberGrapicX. how it's done on P96 i don't know.
need to test classic OS4.0 with P96. i will release info on what i did if there are no problems.
information on 250Mhz RamDac willl not be release for some time yet.
fan or heatsink is recommeded for all permedia 2 users even if your card is not overclock.
WARNING! do not try to overclock your card without a heatsink or a fan ,my cards are modifyed for this and a mandatory fan heatsink combo is needed on Permedia 2 when clocked at 100Mhz.
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Picasso96 and RunInUAE Posted on 26-Mar-2011 18:38:20
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Great tutorial!!! I have a question: When I try to edit my screenmodes under Picasso96 it freezes my system after pressing some of the cursor keys. What can I do?
And with RunInUAE when I click on a game to load the window freezes and I can't load the game or quit the screen.Any ideas of why this behaviour? Last edited by newlight on 26-Mar-2011 at 08:00 PM.
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Re: Picasso96 and RunInUAE Posted on 27-Mar-2011 11:43:33
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| @newlight When using the Picasso96 utitlity nothing should happen unless you hit the "test" button.
Now if your system freezes wihtout testing anything then it has nothing to do with Picasso96, monitors or anything.
In case it freezes after testing, can you post a screenshot of the Picasso96 window (featuring the offending resolution you are trying to test) and a screen shot of your radeon monitor tool types (enlarge the window so that all tool types are visible).
Also, can you tell me what kind of Monitor you are using (Brand and Model). Thanks!
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Re: Picasso96 and RunInUAE Posted on 13-Apr-2011 22:02:01
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A very well written and detailed tutorial for sure, i copied it on my hard disk to browse it locally, so i can access it from time to time even when i'm not connected
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Re: E-UAE TUNING Posted on 4-May-2011 21:32:56
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100Mhz (Bvision card) standard on my cards but like i said before in another thread has gone much higher with CybergraphicX (modifyed driver) adjusted in the software driver for Bvision on CyberGrapicX. how it's done on P96 i don't know. |
You can either edit the kickstart file p96config and uncomment the Overclock=YES line or add it to the tooltypes on DEVS:Monitors/CVision
You'll also need to add the MemoryClock=XX Tooltype also where XX is speed in Mhz IIRC**
** I dont know if the MemoryClock=XX Tooltype is used in OS4 you'll have to experiment.
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Re: OS4 and Classic "FUSION" : Overview and Tutorials Posted on 4-May-2011 22:49:03
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DAX wrote: @emeck I think this knowledge should be prominent as it is considered very important by Amigans, the tutorial section of AW is really hidden, It took me over a year to find out it existed!
Maybe a "classic amiga on OS4" section on AmigaOS.net could be a nice idea...
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Re: Picasso96 Posted on 15-Sep-2015 20:48:49
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Anybody has tried this guide since then? Is it still valid? I got the link from the OS4.1FE RunInUAE guide (section tips&tricks).
I really want to have a display on my CRT like the photos shown here. I got till the "Test button" step and then a "Screen too large for this card" error popped up.
My config : Sam440Flex, ATi 9250, CRT Sony G200, OS4.1FE
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Re: Picasso96 Posted on 15-Sep-2015 21:48:54
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I didn't know any of this existed! Glad you found it. I didn't realise it was 4 years old! That explains why some links don't work and you can no longer get the Mk4 - although I have re released MkII in my X1000 which works well.
Just like it says though the tutorial section of AmigaWorld is well hidden and still is! _________________ Sam |
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