@vision

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I really want to test the freedom of speech here, and if there isn´t any, then I won´t stay anymore

Then please leave right away, because we've established many times before that there is no freedom of speech here. You are allowed, yes that is ALLOWED, to post here by the site owner. If you don't follow his rules you will be restricted. Start your own site if you want to behave like you do.

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@asymetrix

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asymetrix wrote: @thread Hardware or Software issue ? Hmm - I think its both. On the hardware side Sams or any future Amigas that do not have a DSP or a dedicated chip to accelerate DVD/HD/encoding will have to do it manually via CPU, unlike small gadgets that have a media encoder chip etc. On the Software side, Sam or any future Amiga will never get GPU accelerated DVD/HD/encode/decode WITHOUT DRM. Other platforms have some sort of Digital Rights Management, which then makes it easier for card manufacturers to legally give out DVD/HD/encode/decode acceleration documentation. So I guess we have to make use of CPU, or hack GPU manually or some DSP/FPGA custom HD media chip on a card. It makes me think we need our own custom chips again.

You could use OpenGL/GLSL to assist video decoding http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=33802

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Link: http://spiedl.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=PSISDG00669600000166960X000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes

"Real-time high definition H.264 video decode using the Xbox 360 GPU"

The whitepaper describes the Microsoft's H.264 decoder implementation with the Xbox 360 GPU's HLSL.
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One could port HLSL to GLSL or vice versa.

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@vision

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vision wrote: @fishy_fis are you sure I am doing nothing but "embarrasing myself"? yeah sure. I am proud to feel the opposite: I am making some people "portrait" themselves, so others can see what kind of persons they are, and what to expect from them (except the coward that reported me, who don´t have the balls to say it because he knows how wrong is he doing) and I am not afraid to confront a moderator. At all. I will not even reply to the bunch of lies and incorrect arguments that are exposed here. It's not worth it. I think it is simpler than all that noise and excuses: I should have the right to say that I think this: if a Sam cannot play a DVD (and contrary to the defenders and excusers, the fact that they sell a separate device to allow it means that it isn´t capable at all) IS A PATHETIC COMPUTER. I tried to say it politely before, but now that they are doing this, I must say it clear. And If there is even just 1 person here who instead of being a blind fanatic, care to listen and know how to respect other's thinking, but doesn´t agree with my oppinion, he can ask me and I would kindly and politely elaborate and explain my reasons to say that. Because it was never my intention to be a troll or insult, just say what I honestly think, and in a politely and funny way. And I don´t care if some fanatics want to kill me because of that: I have done for the Amiga a lot more that most of them, and I still feel I am doing the right thing (expresing my free and reasonable opinion). I really want to test the freedom of speech here, and if there isn´t any, then I won´t stay anymore, like the thousands that you lost through all this time and will keep loosing till become a "pure" amigan forum with a proud amount of 4 (l)users.

SAM with ATI RV730 needs software infrastructure e.g. Gallium3D port.

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I've problem with asus eee keyboard, it plays avi/mpg just fine, BUT flash videos are huge problem. Crystal HD video codec isn't supported by flash and cpu only solution is not powerfull enough to play flash videos.

It is 1,6 ghz atom

About DVDs pentium II 266mhz with NVidia GPU plays DVDs just fine. GPU support for video would be essential to video playback

@vision

If you want to post whatever you want, in as offensive a way as you like, may I make the following recommendation

I checked this site just before posting this and there was a small thread about OS4 that you may possibly agree with, but you will need to search for it among a lot of other threads about scat, paedophilia, homophobic rants etc.

The moderators of this site have higher standards for the debate on this site. They are not trying to crush disagreement, merely keeping it civilised.


@COBRA
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Most people watch DVDs on a DVD player attached to a 40" LCD TV

That may be OK in the land of the long white cloud, but here in the land of the perpetual rain cloud we are a bit more squeezed in. To watch a screen that size I would need to leave the room to get far enough back to see the whole picture.

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@vision

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vision wrote: I really want to test the freedom of speech here, and if there isn´t any, then I won´t stay anymore,

If it were not for DRM there would be no problem for you watching DVDs
on anything. Your thoughts and disappointment should be directed to the
movie industry and the governments that tell you that you can not watch
a DVD that you paid for except on their approved equipment.

The problem is not with any computer. The movie industry wants you to
pay them for the 'privilege' of watching what you paid for. If you do
not pay them they will have the government take action against you.

Please use your freedom of speech where it will do some good.

@WolfToTheMoon

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WolfToTheMoon wrote: @Mechanic A fully custom gfx chip wouldn't be very cheap and probably not fast enough for modern computing.

Would not need to be a custom chip. A good chip on a custom board would be fine.

@vision

My God, can you not see why people are unhappy with you here? Yes there are some blind fanatics here, but there are also some more realistic people. I like to consider myself one, and I see it this way: I don't want a Sam440, it's underpowered/underspecced for me. I think the ability to watch DVDs would be nice, but a ¤40 DVD player will do a better job. I don't think it's essential though, seeing as the Sam really caters for a hobbyist market.

I don't want a Sam. It doesn't fit my needs, and it's unlikely I would ever buy one. You and I agree on that point. However I'm not on here shouting abuse at people like you are. Does that make me a blind fanatic?

Shouting that a product which people enjoy using, and some people have put a lot of work into producing, "IS A PATHETIC COMPUTER" is not the right thing to do. It's not friendly, polite or funny. It's not reasonable, it doesn't have a part in *any* civil conversation, and only makes you look like you're here to flame people. Anything you've done for the Amiga in the past does not give you an excuse to give people unwarranted abuse, and only serves to detract from any good which you have done.

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@Mechanic

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Would not need to be a custom chip. A good chip on a custom board would be fine.

And the point of that would be? You won't get GPU documentation anyway and I don't think any "Amiga" company is able to deliver something usable in that regard.

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@Mechanic

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Would not need to be a custom chip. A good chip on a custom board would be fine.

So you would have 3-5 times more expensive board which still wouldnt have drivers.

Seriously. If they give big FY! to Linux driver devs which have install base of few millions to be conservative. What you think they will say when you ask for specs when you will make max few hundred boards ?

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@Rose

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So you would have 3-5 times more expensive board which still wouldnt have drivers.

Sounds pretty "Amiga" to me.

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@THREAD

Guys, let's see things for what they are. There was a time when there was NO new AmigaOS HW around, so those that got theirs at the right time, were having fun, the others couldn't join in.

At that point in time the chance of developing a new board came out (with first prototypes os SamHW seen as early as 2005) in a very difficult situation (further marred by the lawsuit).

Being here today, discussing why the old and discontinued (no longer for sale) HW cannot play DVDs without a little frameskip, is plain dead dumb.

Those venerable mobos did fill a gap when they came out and must be commended for that, but now they are what they are, old discontinued AmigaHW, and in this, they join the venerable expanded A4000s and A1200s (and let's recall that the aforementioned discontinued Sams, fare way better than those classics in the majority of tasks).

Now if we are talking the SamFlex or even better, the new 460EX (that's what you can buy today) DVDs are no problem at all.

The Flex might currently have some difficulties with Hi-Bitrate discs, BUT I read on Italian forums (from m3x of Acube) that a new update involving an improved RTG library and "DMA everything" is being worked on.
The latter will eliminate the remaining memory bandwidth bottleneck so that Flex owning DVD lovers will live happily ever after.

End of story.

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@DAX

Whats your problem boy!

You must listen to @rose and @opi. What is, is, and there there is nothing more.

@Mechanic

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Whats your problem boy! You must listen to @rose and @opi. What is, is, and there there is nothing more.

And what part of DAX's post will give you magically HW acceleration to video drivers ? Tho I remember when DAX promised that adding HW videoplayback to radon driver would be one afternoon job for Hans. I wonder when that afternoon comes

PS. You didn't answer how that custom card would give you drivers

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@Rose

It's more like writing the basic radeon hd (+ basic composition) is an afternoon job. 3D and video hw support might take a bit more. :)

@Mechanic

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You must listen to @rose and @opi.

If your alternative to listening to me is "build my own graphic card because" then yes, you should. Not because I'm somehow insightful or interesting: it will save you money and frustration.

Building own GPU for anything Amiga is like two bums starting trust fund.

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@opi

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If your alternative to listening to me is "build my own graphic card because" then yes, you should. Not because I'm somehow insightful or interesting: it will save you money and frustration.

Realism - It's trolling in Amiga land you know ?

@DAX

Are the 440's discontinued now? I remember reading somewhere that they weren't going to be "replaced" by the 460.

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@Rose

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Rose wrote: @Mechanic PS. You didn't answer how that custom card would give you drivers

You are absolutely correct.

@Opi
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Not because I'm somehow insightful or interesting: it will save you money and frustration.

But it is my money and frustration. Would you deny me that?

Problems with ATI documentations and drivers, makes me wonder, maybe some other companies would be more friendly? Like S3/matrox.

There where some kind of strategic partnership with matrox?

If we are honest, speed of matrox GPUs (poor) would not be issue with current hardware. Sam wouldn't be super computer even with fastest ATI gpus and recent drivers