@Kronos

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If summerians had precicely predicted date position

While counting the years between events is mere kid's play. Do understand the stars around us will not be in perfect sync. When the brown dwarf goes towards the outer reaches of our solar systems, the effects of our constantly moving neighouring stellar systems will be different (different push & pull) effecting its orbit. The timing between events will thus not be exact.

The same goes for the position of earth which is also constantly on the move. Its effect here on earth will not be constant.

@Lou
The two most noticable objects in the sky at the moment are the sun and the moon. Although the moon is a little bit smaller than the sun it is also a little bit closer, and by pure coincidence (or design if you are a last thursdayist) they have the same apparent size, which has enabled scientists to make some remarkable discoveries about the solar corona, and solar flares.
The "second sun" depicted is about 2/3 the apparent size of the sun. This could mean that it is either
a) 2/3 the size of the moon and at the same distance from the earth.
b) The same size as the moon, but at 50% greater range.
c) 2/3 the size of the sun at 93 million miles range
d) The same size as the sun at 140 million miles range
e) A reflection

The resulting affects of these possibilities would be
a) huge tidal surges causing the inundation of Bangla-desh, South-East England, Holland, Florida etc. High risk of impact with the moon leading to spectacular meteor showers.
b) Spectacular high tides and extensive flooding of low lying areas.Moon drawn away from the earth to a higher orbit, or a separate solar orbit as a new planet in its own right
c) Visible matter stream being drawn from the sun. Destruction of mercury. Noticable perturbation of the orbit of venus. Noticable changes in the orbit of any planet that had been on the far side of the sun during the approach of this object.
d) Noticable tidal surges on the "surface" of the sun, changes to the orbit of venus and mercury,. Possible destruction of any gas giants that got in the way.
e) No changes in the layout of the solar system, No panicking commuters. Armageddon postponed

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@Lou

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You also don't address the video proof of 'two suns' by multiple people in multiple locations around the world

Because such effects is easily explained if you have slight knowledge in meteorology and halo based effects. I thought you had the knowledge of these things and were only adding this as a provocation to less knowing people, that is why I ignored it. The most common of these effects actually produce two extra suns. Why no comment on that from the Niburu fanatics? Wouldn´t three suns be even better?

For more information check halo effects in any encyclopaedia or why not Wikipedia? People mixed up with this stuff try to avoid hard facts that destroy for their cause only picking bits and pieces that fit their propaganda.

By the way, do you want the world to end 2012 or what? Are you depressed or something?

I have updated the original post.

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First sightings I would expect to look like this:

Day 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xajl-9SR1Bw

Day 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHxqMfVcOuc

A slow moving (almost only moving due to earth's rotation) bearded dim star high above the atmosphere! (This thing is HUGE!).

We know the biggest asteroid ever recorded approaches us from the south. But this is no asteroid as asteroids don't have tails when moving through space. So that leaves comets. Now go back to look for reported comments, their orbits and when they are supposed to pass around the sun. Based on this one could calculate its size.

@MikeB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk5l3t--8QQ&feature=related

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@Lou

I'll get back into my 1% verification of the 99% observation is highly important. And likely why observation is not 99% of science. LOTS of work can go into the research to ensure we weren't duped somehow.

When a magician puts a lady into a box we observe her being cut in two, there's no blood, and she's still alive. It's through examining the box and table we consequently find trap doors and a hidden girl. Watch Penn and Teller's magic tricks. It's great because they give away a secret on how the trick can be performed. Now they often know other ways so part of the trick is multiple layers of deception.

Take the two suns. Were there 2 things in the sky?

2 sun observations :
(1) a video from a limited area on the globe with 2 solar objects
(2) the sky is cloudy and
(3)The people are amazed at the view. (rough estimate for argument) ~5% of world

1 sun observations:
(1) (rough estimate for argument) about 44% of the world sees 1 sun
(2) 100% of the people don't detect any gravitational impacts for this massive object
(3) Satellites around the earth are not impacted
(4) Satellites around the sun are not impacted
(5) No oceanic changes to the additional gravity
(6) have observed that smoke is reflective as entertainers use the effect in their shows

Now with two different sets of the same 'event' how do you determine what truly happened? It's that '1%' verification that does this. Which again is why I said 99% observation is not true.

1 event ... two different sets of observational evidence. If we could put them on a scale it's more likely the 2sun observers believe a lady was bloodlessly cut in half and the 1 sun observers realize the truer event.

@MikeB

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A slow moving (almost only moving due to earth's rotation) bearded dim star high above the atmosphere! (This thing is HUGE!).

Considering only the picture in your post the size of the object is indeterminate. In order to determine size,speed, and distance one needs a frame of reference within the picture. We have none of that here. The 'huge' conclusion may be true, however is unsupported with this 1 picture.

@BrianK

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Considering only the picture in your post the size of the object is indeterminate.

The picture was merely for shape. The videos are better for perspective.

Intriguing. No comet Elenin, but instead another binary star with orbiting satellites near our own system? I've been watching several of Astrolpatriot's video blogs. Interesting theories.

Posted last week, now he's packed and moving to new locations. Hmmm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnnbSn8yQkw

Plaz

Another nice painting maybe symbolically referring to Nibiru.



http://ecumenicalbuddhism.blogspot.com/2010/10/dragon-and-phoenix.html

I also added these to the original post.

The sumerian Nibiru symbol (also used for later cultures and religions):



Ancient royal seal:

@T-J

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T-J wrote: @Lou Quote: ROFL! Until something is observed for apparently the first time, there is no accepted explanation. But these optical effects have been observed before... They've been explained, as several of us here have explained several times. Its just that your blind faith in Sitchin's 'good story' means you continue to refer to his Scripture to 'disprove' me.

You remind me of those people who go around knocking on people's doors trying to save them from themselves...

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Quote: I don't claim it's a brown dwarf. Typical of the skeptic who refuses to equally be judged to put words in people's mouths. It's also been detected in 1983. Sitchin does. And as I have said multiple times, the 'detection' in 1983 is not true - that was the misidentification of some distant galaxies as a planet. This is possible because the low-resolution equipment available at the time mistook incredibly huge warm objects at unimaginably vast distance (galaxies) for small, slightly warmer than background objects nearby (planets). All explained by looking at the data. But your faith means you can't accept that, you decided it must be a conspiracy to cover up the One True Faith as revealed by the Prophet Sitchin.

Keep preaching...

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Quote: The issue is the earth's magnetic field, not gravity. Perhaps you should research how it's been changing lately...as well as the ionosphere... I've already addressed that, too. In short, the Earth's magnetic field is behaving quite normally and in accordance with the theory of geomagnetism. And the ionosphere is showing no signs of magic either. Are you paying any attention? But again, when faced with evidence contrary to Sitchin, your faith meant that you simply rejected science and substituted fiction. Quote: Actually, the statement simply proves you live under a bridge. No, come on, tell me. How does Sitchin disprove Last Thursday? Can he? Because Last Thursday tells a much neater story than Sitchin does, no loose ends whatsoever. By your own criteria for choosing what to believe, Last Thursday is the better theory.

In that case I am right and I decide to make you wrong.

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Quote: I state this is what I believe, your science be damned. That's what I was after, a clear statement that your faith is not based in science and therefore has no bearing on it.

Good, now go away.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1367678/reply22554428

Interesting post. I suggest reading the whole thread.

Along with looking at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuvu9mUsOuw

Last edited by Lou on 09-Apr-2011 at 08:44 PM.

i write it again:are you sure this nibiru story isn't a fps or a porn?
i guess planet x would be a great boss to either categories.

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@Lou
Sitchins "translations" of his source material stands in glorious isolation from all other translations, and he is held in total disdain in academic circles. The only field in which Sitchin is surrounded by like minded individuals is in predicting the end of the world..
I will admit that this site is a little bit biased as it claims that the world hasn't ended yet.
BTW. Wasn't nibiru supposed to have called here in 2003.

Passengers awaiting the 2003 End of the world express are advised that there has been a short delay, due to unforseen circumstances. Please be patient, there will be another apocalypse along shortly. Thank you.

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@Nimrod

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Nimrod wrote: @Lou Sitchins "translations" of his source material stands in glorious isolation from all other translations, and he is held in total disdain in academic circles. The only field in which Sitchin is surrounded by like minded individuals is in predicting the end of the world.. I will admit that this site is a little bit biased as it claims that the world hasn't ended yet. BTW. Wasn't nibiru supposed to have called here in 2003. Passengers awaiting the 2003 End of the world express are advised that there has been a short delay, due to unforseen circumstances. Please be patient, there will be another apocalypse along shortly. Thank you.

I think this explains it best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi7wpEIGU0I


This was posted 2/21/2011:
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Feb 20 Nibiru between Jupiter and Mars orbits. 2.48 AU from Earth. March 4 Nibiru breaks through ecliptic plane for earth change symptoms to gradually increase. 2.261 AU from Earth. March 11 Saturn, Nibiru, Earth, Sun, Mars, Jupiter and Uranus are in alignment creating gravity trench for volcano/earthquake/tidal events to escalate. First Alignment. 2.1 AU from Earth. June 27 Nibiru crosses Mars orbit. 1.789 AU from Earth. July 7 Saturn, Nibiru and Sun are in alignment where Saturn should show signs of the dwarf star assuming polarity control. 1.74 AU from Earth. [link to i29.photobucket.com] Aug 3 Nibiru crosses Earth orbit and Earth reaches Nibiru perigee orbit angle position. 1.489 AU from Earth. Aug 21 Nibiru crosses Venus orbit. 1.198 AU from Earth. Sept 11 Nibiru reaches perigee position at Mercury orbit. 0.708 AU from Earth. Sept 19 Nibiru equidistant from Sun And Earth. 0.523 AU from Earth. Sept 26 Nibiru passes between Sun and Earth for second alignment for anticipated Geological Pole Shift Event. Second Alignment. 0.396 AU from Earth. Oct 2 Nibiru at Venus orbit. 0.316 AU from Earth. Oct 17 Nibiru at Earth orbit and nearest position. 0.232 AU from Earth @ 21.57 million miles. Nov 14 Nibiru crosses Mars orbit. 0.46 AU from Earth. Nov 22 Nibiru, Earth and Sun alignment for Pole Shift Reversal Event. Third Alignment 0.58 AU from Earth. Nibiru will finally be farther from the Earth than the Sun on Feb 29, 2012 marking 163 days from Sept. 19, 2011 that Nibiru is nearer our planet than the Sun.

Gee does that mid-march date ring a bell?
If you watch the video, you'll see about Chile and New Zeland too...

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@Lou

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March 11 Saturn, Nibiru, Earth, Sun, Mars, Jupiter and Uranus are in alignment creating gravity trench for volcano/earthquake/tidal events to escalate. First Alignment. 2.1 AU from Earth.

Wrong. That quote was not posted in February. According to your 'godlikeproductions' website, that alignment of Saturn, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus and the Sun (oh, and a bit of lensflare too, don't forget that!) occurred on March 15th, as reported in a post dated the 9th of March:

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March 15, 2011 is the first of three conjunctions where the earth is caught in the gravitational gradient lines-or the trough-that binds the sun and brown dwarf together. The sun will be pulling one way and the brown dwarf the other way and the predicted pole shift event will take place. The interesting thing about this particular day is that Saturn, the brown dwarf, the Earth and the Sun and Mars and Jupiter and Uranus are all in alignment. The astronomy people and the media should be talking about this alignment, because rarely do seven planetary and solar bodies line up in a straight line like we see on March 15, 2011..

You linked to a version which is labelled 'Modified April 07, 2011. Which means that your fellow Nibirists have edited their original hypothesis to force the data to fit it. Fraud, in other words. The pole shift event also didn't happen, by the way.

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In that case I am right and I decide to make you wrong.

But as part of Your test You are expected to look at the evidence and interpret it rationally, or You risk failing it. See the Catechism of Last Thursday for more information.

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Good, now go away.

As long as you make no further attempts to conform Sitchin's prophecy with science, I won't address your points any longer. Except occasionally to point out the most staggering violations of physical laws, or any more cases of blatant fraud like the 15th March issue.

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@MikeB
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Well, sorry, but it looked like you were referencing the shape of a man's beard to try and back up a rather shaky theory about prophesies and apocalypses. That's got to be pretty odd in anyone's book.

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@T-J

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You linked to a version which is labelled 'Modified April 07, 2011. Which means that your fellow Nibirists have edited their original hypothesis to force the data to fit it. Fraud, in other words. The pole shift event also didn't happen, by the way.

Your ignorance continues...

If you read the quoted version it was originally listed as the 15th.
It was adjusted to align with the Japan quake because mathematical calculations regarding orbits always have room for error. It actually happend on the 11th despite being "calculated" early to be around the 15th.

This was clearly explained around page 29, iirc.

As I said before, return to your box and feel safe.

@Lou

That's rubbish. Orbital calculations have error, yes, but for objects that *actually exist*, the errors in where they'll be and when are tiny. So, they won't be four days out. Jupiter et al were all bang on time for their expected locations, but Nibiru had to be edited to fit? The Nibirists just picked the nearest disaster and pinned their 'revised calculations' to that.

Lies, fraud and deception. Reminds me of Erich von Daniken and his 'ancient pottery' scam:

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[Von Daniken] produced photographs of pottery that he claimed had been found in an archaeological dig. The pottery depicts flying saucers and was said to have been dated from Biblical times. However, investigators from Nova (the public-television science program) found the potter who had made the allegedly ancient pots. They confronted von Däniken with evidence of his fraud. His reply was that his deception was justified because some people would only believe if they saw proof

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Well Astrolpatriot was discovered to be a fraud today. If nothing else I thought he was a good storyteller and kept me entertained for a couple of days. Watch the earlier video and others by AP for SciFi entertainment if you're bored. Would have made for a decent 1950 B movie plot.

Plaz