@T-J

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T-J wrote: @Lou Quote: So let me sum this up: Comet Elenin is found and it's orbit plotted. On 3 previous alignments with this comet and other celestial bodies, major "events" happened. (see Chile, New Zealand, Japan) This 'comet' is getting closer. It has more aligments happening listed per the timeline that I posted. No, let me sum this up: Comet Elenin is found and its orbit plotted. On three previous alignments, nothing happened, so the Nibiru cultists fudged the calculations to make it look like the alignment coincided with conveniently placed disasters. This was easy, because there are thousands of earthquakes every year. This comet is getting closer and will again align with other bodies, and will have no gravitational effect worth mentioning because its mass is tiny and it will remain safely distant from the Earth.

Yes master T-J. Anything you say master T-J.

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Quote: What if Comet Elenin was orbiting something? Wouldn't that explain why it's visible sometimes and other times not? It is orbiting something. Its called 'The Sun'.

The moon orbits the Sun too. Ofcourse from the Moon's perspective, everything orbits it. Just as when I jump, I'm pushing the earth away from me, not the other way around. Fragger keeps coming back though...

@Lou

Some more predictions:
http://xkcd.com/887/

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@T-J

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There is no Maya calendar related to science.

For the early ancient civilizations there was no difference between science and religion.

@T-J

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So to count longer periods of time than 56 years they developed the Long Count

I guess you refer to an Aztec calendar. The Aztec civilization originated from thousands of years after the Olmec/Maya.

Sorry for the double up.

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@Lou

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So let me sum this up: Comet Elenin is found and it's orbit plotted. On 3 previous alignments with this comet and other celestial bodies, major "events" happened. (see Chile, New Zealand, Japan) This 'comet' is getting closer. It has more aligments happening listed per the timeline that I posted.

This statement is clearly bunk!

The major event of the earthquake in Japan occurred on March 11th. The 'alignment' supposedly occurred on March 15th . And certainly the prophesy was off as March 15th 2011 was not predicted to bring an earthquake but an immediate shift of the poles

We could look at dates of alignment published prior to Chile and New Zealand events. I wouldn't be suprised if their events failed to fall on 'alignment' dates either.

@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @Lou Quote: So let me sum this up: Comet Elenin is found and it's orbit plotted. On 3 previous alignments with this comet and other celestial bodies, major "events" happened. (see Chile, New Zealand, Japan) This 'comet' is getting closer. It has more aligments happening listed per the timeline that I posted. This statement is clearly bunk! The major event of the earthquake in Japan occurred on March 11th. The 'alignment' supposedly occurred on March 15th . And certainly the prophesy was off as March 15th 2011 was not predicted to bring an earthquake but an immediate shift of the poles We could look at dates of alignment published prior to Chile and New Zealand events. I wouldn't be suprised if their events failed to fall on 'alignment' dates either.

The pole shift is a migration, not an instant process.
Also, depending on the actual position of the planets, the center of mass could have been closer on the 11th despite the alignment on the 15th and after it as well. If you recall there was a 2nd quake a few days after the alignment too. You also are refusing to accept room for error in the calculation of orbits considering these bodies are travelling in the hunderds of thousands of miles per hour. In fact all scientific calculations are presented with an error correction factor. But let's ignore that to debunk this, ok, sure.

So if another earthquake happens 4 days before or after the next alignment and the next alignment then clearly this Elenin alignment stuff is bunk, right?

It brings back what I've said before: how many coincidences in a row will it take?

If the Olmec/Maya religious calendars are prohectic, I think either it was told to them by their gods (the annunaki theory) or it may be due to shamans using DMT to enable them to use their 3rd eye in some way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQf9rn96CRQ

@MikeB

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If the Olmec/Maya religious calendars are prohectic, I think either it was told to them by their gods (the annunaki theory) or it may be due to shamans using DMT to enable them to use their 3rd eye in some way.

IF [Condition] THEN : [Supposition] OR [Supposition].
Have you ever heard of the word evidence?
Does this honestly pass for logical thinking?

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Last year we experienced *snow* here in the Netherlands during easter weekend, this year it will be baking hot up to 27 degrees Celsius. That's quite a turnaround.

It will be the hottest easter weekend on record for northern european countries.

-double post due to editing-

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@MikeB

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I guess you refer to an Aztec calendar. The Aztec civilization originated from thousands of years after the Olmec/Maya.

No, I'm referring to the Maya calendar. They used the Tzolkin for religion, the Haab for agriculture and the Long Count for history.

Much as we use weeks for religion, months for agriculture and years for history.

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it may be due to shamans using DMT to enable them to use their 3rd eye in some way.

Do you just automatically believe in every bunk theory with no evidence to support it that you stumble across? I'm just curious, given the track record:

Sitchin - only a small cult of faithful followers and no expertise or ability, against the entire archaeological and linguistic fields. You think he's probably correct.

Strepulsion Guy - no followers, falsified credentials, purchased diplomas and self-granted awards. You take his word as gospel.

'3rd Eye' - no evidence for it, and you even acknowledge that the effect would be achieved using a hallucinogen, yet you propose it as if it were a completely rational, accepted fact.

General Relativity - Thousands of researchers actively using it to accurately describe the universe, yet you dismiss it out of hand as a matter of course. At the word of Strepulsion Guy, no less.

It seems to me that the amount of credit you award to a given theory is inversely proportional to the number of serious researchers, peer-reviewed articles and accurate observations said theory has/generates/allows. This is confusing.


@Leo

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The pole shift is a migration, not an instant process.

The first thing you've posted that makes any sense whatsoever. Congratulations. You're right, geomagnetic reversal is a slow process. It generally takes over a century and is driven by chaotic flow patterns in the Earth's core.

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So if another earthquake happens 4 days before or after the next alignment and the next alignment then clearly this Elenin alignment stuff is bunk, right? It brings back what I've said before: how many coincidences in a row will it take?

Oh, but there you blew it again.

It makes no difference whatsoever if you can find some other conveniently located disasters within a week of your alignment, because earthquakes are so frequent that they are practically guaranteed to happen!

Look earlier in this thread - there was a 7.0 Magnitude earthquake near Indonesia that was being panicked about. If the Japan quake hadn't happened, you'd probably be latching onto that one and claiming it as evidence for your bunk theory.

And besides, coincidence is irrelevant. We require evidence. You cannot provide any evidence for Elenin being any more massive than, say, Halley's Comet, which means that its gravitational impact on the Earth is negligible, which means that it cannot be responsible for anything happening down here.

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Yes master T-J. Anything you say master T-J.

Now that's more like it. I could get used to this.

@T-J

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No, I'm referring to the Maya calendar

Then you made a mistake in your counting.

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Look earlier in this thread - there was a 7.0 Magnitude earthquake near Indonesia that was being panicked about. If the Japan quake hadn't happened, you'd probably be latching onto that one and claiming it as evidence for your bunk theory.

The Japanese earthquake was special (as also scientists point out).

As for Indonesia, the whole region is in dire state (flooding), from Thailand, Philippines to Australia. So sufficient reasons to be panicking over this for locals.

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@MikeB

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Then you made a mistake in your counting of years.

Explain. Because if I made a mistake counting years, its present in all the literature on the ancient Maya. The archaeology shows that the Maya used the three calendars I described, and their eschatology held that the Universe was created in 3114 BC.

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The Japanese earthquake was special. As for Indonesia, the whole region is in dire state, from Thailand, Philippines to Australia. So sufficient reasons to be panicking over this for locals.

Oh, 'special', was it? In what way 'special'?

And of course the whole region from Thailand, round the Phillipines through Indonesia to Papua New Guinea and down towards New Zealand is in a dire state. Its called a subduction zone and its really quite natural. Plate tectonics, you see.

@T-J

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'3rd Eye' - no evidence for it, and you even acknowledge that the effect would be achieved using a hallucinogen

DMT is made by the human body itself. It is believed to be released en masse during NDEs.

The 3rd eye exists in human kind (as well as animals), it was even discovered the section is made out of similar cells as optical cells.

@MikeB

I think you're getting very close to having another facepalm picture posted up here. Third eye, sorry, its just so much bunk used by mediums to get your cash, among other things.

I don't know what it is you're on about now, but you're certainly demonstrating that proving anything to you Nibirists is 'like nailing fog to a wall'. You've simply melted away from the previous field of engagement over the physics of Comet Elenin and on to whatever this New Age herbal transcendence stuff is.

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@MikeB

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Last year we experienced *snow* here in the Netherlands during easter weekend, this year it will be baking hot up to 27 degrees Celsius. That's quite a turnaround.

O.K. So if it wasn't snow, what do you think it was. Fairy dust?
Last year Easter was 3 weeks earlier than this year.
In June 1972, we had 100mm of snow in East Anglia, 3 weeks later we were in the middle of a heat wave. It's called weather, and it changes. That's why the English always talk about it.

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@T-J

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Universe was created in 3114 BC.

No, not even the creation of the world. It is one of previous long cycles which have come before.

According a modern day maya shaman: "It is the return of the ancestors. It is the return of the men of wisdom."

It marks the end of an era. The beginning of a new age as I stated before.

@Nimrod

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O.K. So if it wasn't snow, what do you think it was. Fairy dust?

You misunderstood.

Sometimes I use the asterisk instead of bolding.

"Usenet Style Emphasis

At the time of the release of Wiki in 1995 the Usenet (i.e. News) was quite active and mature. There evolved on there a common convention that asterisks on either side of text signified bold."

EDIT is broke in the new AmigaWorld!

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