@_ThEcRoW

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What makes os4 more Amiga, than the rest amigoid oses, if they(hyperion) never used the 3.1 sources?.

Hyperion used 3.1 sources. What remains in OS4 from OS3 sources is another queston (if you refer to the revealed court documents).

However, in point of view of both Amiga.Inc and Hyperion, Hyperion is the sole company that can use and modify original AmigaOS source code.

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What makes os4 more Amiga, than the rest amigoid oses, if they(hyperion) never used the 3.1 sources?

AmigaOS 4.x is based on 3.1 and (partially) 3.5/3.9 sources.

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@number6

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licensees? plural?

Why not? None of the licensees will ever use OS4 since it's PPC.

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Are you trying to indicate this is a goal of IContain as well?

Nope, not saying that at all actually. iContain license, AFAIK, is the result of some internal AI squabble and I will leave that at that.

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What makes os4 more Amiga, than the rest amigoid oses, if they(hyperion) never used the 3.1 sources?

it was explained over and over again by olsen and others what has been done. also do watch the svn generated 25 years video.

@WolfToTheMoon
and that must be the reason why all Game Console makers go to IBM when they need powerful CPUs right?

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@Mechanic

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I believe Barry put the kabosh on some Amiga 'concept' related to the X500. No?

I was asked my opinion and I gave it on X500 case. C=USA hasn't found exactly what they are looking for their A500x case. The Fantasy case is still being considered but that will have to be modified back end and the DVD will be slot loaded and not a tray. I think they may just spend the money and go to a design company and tell them how they want the A500x to look. They want to sell in the hundreds of thousands if not millions of A500x so the case has to be on the money from day one.

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If so, then Barry should protect IP, and Hyperion should not. Yes?

I have no idea on what you are referring to. Hyperion has to defend AI's IP, end of story.

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@BillE

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Which as it has *nothing* to do with Amiga whatsoever, why is it even allowed on AWN ?

Actually, I was wrong about this thread being C64x related. Too many post in too short of time between different sites and I did a "oops." Oh well, it happens. Actually this thread was about attacking C=USA and it turned into a deeper discussion on C=USA and it's first product, the C64x with the C64x's pre-production video being announced on AWN before the other sites. Hat tip to AWN for getting the video link first.

I can only imagine when the first Commodore Amiga launch video hits, what AWN is going to be like in the aftermath if the C64x is getting this much reaction.

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@DAX

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and that must be the reason why all Game Console makers go to IBM when they need powerful CPUs right?

There's nothing overly powerful in CPUs that go in the consoles.

besides that, I think we've seen the last PPC consoles, seems that the future will be ARM in there.

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@ribdevil

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Excuse me, but, I think that a PC with a logo "AMIGA" , (if they make it) it's not an AMIGA, I think that AROS is AROS, MORPHOS is MORPHOS, and NOT AMIGA, yes , maybe have a feeling "like", but not are AMIGA. Sorry but this the cruel reality. And I can't understan what are people talking about a new PC, in an AMIGA site. And please excuse me again.

Funny thing ribdevil, I said the exact same thing when the AmigaOne Teron was launched with Linux.

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@sundown

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Trolling is in the sight of the beholder, many here consider any C=USA threads as trolling. You seem to have no problems trolling in OS4 threads.

What trolling in OS4 threads? If COS doesn't support USB 2.0 in it's initial release in this day in age, I'll chime in as well. Or are you confusing OS4 the operating system over the A1X1K which is hardware? Yeah, I'll slag hardware in a minute if gone deep into the stupid zone.

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@sundown

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I'm still wondering who will buy their new system. There are four groups, the NG users, the classic users, the one time users, & the last are the group that have never owed an Amiga. You won't sell many, if any, to the first group. The classic users won't jump on the NG or emulation wagon because they're h/w oriented. That leaves the last 2 groups, & I don't see huge sales to them.

You could be right. Then again, there are those on the Amiga webboards that said C=USA wouldn't sell more then a dozen C64x, no body would want them. First production of the C64x lot was sold out, with pre-orders, in less then the first 24 hours. Amiga communities' conventional wisdom turns out to be not all that impressive when reality hits.

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public thread. ;)

You might want to talk to hyperionmp about that.

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@sundown

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I didn't bring up the "trolling" comment first, you did, & yes, opinions are trolling if presented in an overly nasty way.

This thread started out as a troll against C=USA but it backfired.

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An os4 x86 version would be interesting, but again, none of us know how such a deal was presented to Hyperion with their commitment to ACube & a-eon.

If OS4 had been the OS for C64x, Ben would have been all over the place gloating on the mad cash infusion that just happened to Hyperion.

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No more then what was given to the A1 & what the X-1000 will receive, why do you think C=USA deserves better?

If C=USA did as bad of a job that EyeTech did, they surely deserve to get blasted. If C=USA is going to attempt to sell to me a system for over $3000 USD that is basically a equal to a smartphone, oh brother will I ever blast C=USA. How much grief have I given to the SAM460 or ACube? Hint, I haven't even though it's pricey, it's a steal vs the A1X1K.

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@number6

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But again Randy...this is just not that simple, and unfortunately neither you nor I personally can satisfy the condition that needs to be in place for some interesting possibilities to emerge.

True Allan, but it takes two sides to have a want/need and resolve to get things done.

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@WolfToTheMoon

It was a simple case of Apple being to small for IBM to care about.

@vox

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Hyperion has copyright over AOS 4.1 CUSA claims not to be interested at all.

Not true, C=USA attempted to contact Ben about it and got ignored and that is when they began to look at AROS.

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@Rob

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Nothing in that agreement can stop Commodore USA from bundling AROS with a their non Amiga branded computers.

IMO, they actually could bundle AROS with Commodore Amiga computers. That settlement had a few holes in it. Problem with AROS is there is currently no SMP/MP and that's a deadly fact.

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@pavlor

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Hyperion used 3.1 sources. What remains in OS4 from OS3 sources is another queston (if you refer to the revealed court documents).

Exactly what 3.1 source code was used in what OS4 code? We know the OS4 kernel had zero Amiga OS source code in it. Right?

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@damocles

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C=USA attempted to contact Ben about it and got ignored

Let me guess:

"We are C=USA and would like to work with you. You give us 1M$ and then we talk. Ok?"

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@elwood

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"We are C=USA and would like to work with you. You give us 1M$ and then we talk. Ok?"

It was probably worse then that, they probably going to offer Ben a chunk of money to do the port, but with a time limit.

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@damocles

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iContain license, AFAIK, is the result of some internal AI squabble and I will leave that at that.

I think you might have just answered your own query about why co-operation between Hyperion and C=USA hasn't gone so smoothly.
It also explains why some companies you might not be aware of are just watching how this plays out and not making contact atm.
Amiga Inc. has a erm...reputation at this point.

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