@number6

I believe the talk was about how C=USA shat on a lot of people's dreams and then wanted them to appreciate it as modern art. Something like that.

@BigBentheAussie

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BigBentheAussie wrote: What we were we talking about again? Oh yes...our demise. Have fun.

Oh, yeah. Thanks.

@persia

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I believe the talk was about how C=USA shat on a lot of people's dreams and then wanted them to appreciate it as modern art. Something like that.

Funny, I don't see that since C=USA went to Ben for OS4 and got ignored. How is that shatting on someone's dreams, well, other then shatting on C=USA's dreams that is. Fast forward a year. A1X1K is still not out and C=USA has tens of thousands of pre-orders for C64x with it's production line is nearly operational yet another olive branch is offered by C=USA. Perhaps that's the problem, someone is locked into dream world and can't wake up?

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I will not buy a cusa product simply because they, or anybody else, sells a lot of product. What the heck kind of hobby or enthusiasm is based on the number of units sold? That's just silly. If that is the criteria for your enthusiasm then you should buy nothing but wintels.

I hope no-one has told you to give up your hobby.
A hobby takes passion, commitment and sometimes sacrifice.
If we can inspire passion and commitment with less sacrifice, then that's good isn't it?
The fact that there are people defending us should tell you that people are enthusiastic about what we're doing too.
It may not pass your particular purity test, but a lot more people are unconcerned about that than you think.

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@damocles

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damocles wrote: @persia A1X1K is still not out and C=USA has tens of thousands of pre-orders

Dammy, you have already been asked to put up or shut up. You and Barry have claimed to have 60,000 motherboards, parts, and retail boxes waiting for the assembly when the cases roll off the line.

Why will you not show of video of these 60,000+ motherboards, retail CUSA boxes, Q&A assembly areas, 60,000+ harddrives, 60,000+ Keyboards?


Stop bashing other companies and other products when you are doing the same things and FAIL to provide a single shred of proof to back up your ridiculous claims of having 60,000+ orders waiting.



Yes, I links to back up all of the claims above, most can be found in or re-linked in
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57675&page=5

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@damocles

I'm shocked that exec got a ban! Yes, he's focused narrowly on CUSA but is it any more so than vox is focused on AmigaOS?

I like to hear these guys go at it because it gives me a better understanding of what's been going on over the past 20 years.

I'm willing to bet that all of these small companies are good people with the best intentions. I doubt very seriously that any of them are trying to "get rich" off the Amiga name. There are a hell of a lot easier ways to make money than fighting this battle.

@Wildstar128

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Take some thought about it from a business standpoint.

Amiga and business? It is really long ago I heard these words together.


I think you don´t realise that "Amiga" computers from CommodoreUSA aren´t "Amiga enough" for many of us - that is the fundamental problem.

As I wrote many times before, I will rather buy overpriced and underpowered X1000 (or SAM) than generic PC with Linux.

@damocles

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Funny, I don't see that since C=USA went to Ben for OS4 and got ignored.

Here we go again...
On Amiga.org, as AmigaHeretic outlined, you were quick to explain why some of the things you've spoken about were not "spot on" because you don't work for C=USA, and are therefore not a spokesperson for them.

And yet you keep alluding to having the context of a conversation between C=USA and Hyperion (Ben) in your possession, since you comment on it so often.

So..are you a spokesperson for C=USA or is C=USA handing out this content to others? Which is it?

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@number6


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Funny, I don't see that since C=USA went to Ben for OS4 and got ignored.

Is this not public knowledge?
Ignored is probably too strong a word though.

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@BigBentheAussie

Where's the video? Let's hand out the 60,000+ motherboards sitting around video! I'd love to see 60,000 C64 keyboards piled up. That would be a pretty cool thing to see.

A photo even?

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@AmigaHeretic

Admit it. You love our videos.

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@damocles

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damocles wrote: @Daedalus Don't single out eXec, there are plenty of others that have been posting in the same manner who think they represent the OS4 community.

True, there are others. I was just commenting on eXec's suspension really, and how it's not exactly undeserved, or random oppression...

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I see Leo's post as a olive branch, do with it as you wish.

Hmmm... Had a quick look at it, and it does sound like it. However, there have been similar sentiments before, and we all know it's not going to happen from the countless discussions already held on the subject. The new Commodore machines (Amiga branded or otherwise) were never intended to be compatible with AmigaOS, and AmigaOS was never intended to be compatible with the new Commodore machines (Amiga branded or otherwise). As this is the (extremely) well known current situation, statements like Leo's are only going to come across as empty rhetoric.

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@BigBentheAussie

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Is this not public knowledge?

Maybe it's just me, but I would think that an exchange between Barry and Ben would have to be mentioned in detail by one or the other to be taken seriously AND understood.
Maybe some people do know the exact words used, but since you already claim that "ignore" was too strong a term from Dammy's summary, then at the very least we're getting a slightly different picture of the tone/content of this conversation from the two of you.
And that is only going to lead to people becoming polarized based on what they -want- to believe.

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@BigBentheAussie

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BigBentheAussie wrote: @AmigaHeretic Admit it. You love our videos.

Obviously, as I'm asking for more. This time I'm asking for one that actually shows something that proves what the CUSA "Chicken Head" is spewing.

Is there a reason you will not show pics/video of the OVER SIXTY THOUSAND motherboards, keyboards, harddrives, and Retail boxes that are sitting around?


If you won't show a picture/video will you at least answer the question of why you refuse to?

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@number6

Ignore is too strong a word....if only because they talked.....and then Ben stopped.
Ignored would be not to talk at all.

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@BigBentheAussie

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Quote: Funny, I don't see that since C=USA went to Ben for OS4 and got ignored. Is this not public knowledge? Ignored is probably too strong a word though.

In that case would you like to partecipate in this thread?
http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33675&forum=2

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@Daedalus

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Really? Try taking an objective approach and read over eXec's posts from the last while. He's made his point again and again, and again. People get tired having to sift through the same tunnel-visioned opinions all the time, just to read the genuine posts in the thread. Maybe the more reasonable people can have a few days of relative peace with more coherent threads which aren't full of blind ranting. *That* would be a nice improvement to AW...

If that is true, why has VOX not been perma-banned? Because he his opinion is the preferred opinion?

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@BigBentheAussie

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Ignore is too strong a word....if only because they talked.....and then Ben stopped.Ignored would be not to talk at all.

As you surely realize, I keep a lot of links. Currently I have only 1 public reference to a talk between C=USA and Hyperion, plus one general statement.

September 3, 2010
GobanToba:
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Maybe Hyperion or A-Eon can get a hold of Commodore USA and buy Commodore Amiga cases for their products.

You:
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We not only invite them to do so, we even contacted them regarding this well before the Amiga Inc deal.

This would not cause anyone to believe the conversation had to do with anything BUT "cases". What Dammy has been mentioning lately is certainly not about cases, nor apparently is what you are alluding to either. Dammy has been more specific claiming Hyperion refused something along the line of a monetary offer. Care to elaborate then?

The more general comment, also September 3, 2010
NutsAboutAmiga:
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I think they will consider that too risky considering the past whit Amiga Inc.

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I fail to see how Amiga Inc, can have anything to do with any decisions or deals Commodore USA may make with Hyperion.

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@BigBentheAussie

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Ignored is probably too strong a word though.

I thought it was you who attempted to communicate with Ben via email that was not replied to? Or do I have that wrong?

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@damocles

You have it wrong.
Of course they talked, it just ended rather prematurely for some reason.
But I know that won't satisfy a lot of people so I have it all recorded here.

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