@AmigaHeretic

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which is the only part he claims is missing.

You skipped over the part about bt resin then?
Or, you don't believe the hundreds of news stories on that topic after the tsunami?

Let's be fair and let people make up their own mind whether they feel the expressed reasons for delay are valid:

Barry:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=637000&postcount=62

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@number6

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number6 wrote: @AmigaHeretic Quote: which is the only part he claims is missing. You skipped over the part about bt resin then?

That's what I mean. "The cases" Being mold/resin/ etc etc, whatever I.e. there are no "Cases" at this time.

Everything else that can be lined up is. So motherboards, HDs, retail boxes, actual keyboards to go in the case, etc, etc...

So let's see these 60,000 items then! WHOOO HOOOO!! GO CUSA GO!!

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@AmigaHeretic

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What does everyone else think? Want to see huge amounts of c64 keyboards piled high!? Show us Dammy!

i think that if they are running their business like the one i am in they don't have anything sitting around they don't have to. if they HAD to place an order for the keyboards they might have them otherwise they may only have samples. same for the motherboards and any other component. otherwise they are losing money.

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@damocles

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A1X1K is still not out and C=USA has tens of thousands of pre-orders for C64x

Why is it you can't promote c=usa products without putting down others? Are you blind to what you post? eXec is the same, post just to stir the pot, no real content, just stir. It's not c=usa's product ppl hate, its the way you & others have to bring up the other guy to try & make c=usa look good. Here's a clue, its not working well for c=usa. Try promoting c=usa without bringing up Hyperion/a-eon/os4 & their h/w & you should see a more friendly attitude from us os4 fanboys.

Varisys is doing a fantastic job of putting the x1000 board through it paces, no quick testing, & their taking their time to catch any problems, well worth the wait.

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@jkirk

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i think that if they are running their business like the one i am in they don't have anything sitting around they don't have to.

Not just that. It's been stated repeatedly that the response was beyond what was expected (by a ton). If you accept that statement at face value, then even IF parts were on site, it would be only for a % of the current pre-order sales mentioned, hence why they ARE posting about delays for parts.

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jkirk wrote: @AmigaHeretic Quote: What does everyone else think? Want to see huge amounts of c64 keyboards piled high!? Show us Dammy! i think that if they are running their business like the one i am in they don't have anything sitting around they don't have to. if they HAD to place an order for the keyboards they might have them otherwise they may only have samples. same for the motherboards and any other component. otherwise they are losing money.

Yeah, Barry already said they did though in his "big" lecture on A.org. That is why I keep asking for proof and why I sound like a broken record. Hope that explains my ranting.

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@AmigaHeretic

Maybe it's a case of Murphy's first law.

Or, even the best plan of battle goes straight to hell at the first shot.

@number6

Dear Number 6,

Thanks for the Rod of correction, however I&I know the words from Ras Robert Nesta Marley and GetUP Stand Up (so with Peter Tosh) even, yes, its Mr. First presidents quote. Good. But seems CUSA boys should know the qiote from the school yard.

Also, yes, playing big numbers, just like in CUSA case is verrry old Amiga Inc stlye (great choice of first partner, boys! brings a lot of credibility!) and remains to see truth.

The bottom line is: they will be selling CBM64 first row when people see it as nice retro gadget. As soon as first line of humger (may it be 60 000 fools wordwide or people wanting nice looking AIO PC) passes, how they will repay all the campaigns and faked news of big come back? If CBM64 line doesnt go well, Commodore Amiga is out.

So lets see it in time: mind that product is already overpriced for x64 market, even if you count 100 euros for All In One keyboard (Which remains to be tested in real use),
that due to AIO design if not provided with lot of USBs it will practicaly be unexpandable, and it will be low level Atom with Linux (not bad for nettop, but that is up to 200 euros category).

Even the big lies cannot hide da small truth tor eva

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@AmigaHeretic

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That is why I keep asking for proof and why I sound like a broken record. Hope that explains my ranting.

Heh. No...by then you'll move on to demanding to see scans of payments to prove ROI.

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@sundown

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sundown wrote: @damocles Quote: A1X1K is still not out and C=USA has tens of thousands of pre-orders for C64x Why is it you can't promote c=usa products without putting down others? Are you blind to what you post? eXec is the same, post just to stir the pot, no real content, just stir. It's not c=usa's product ppl hate, its the way you & others have to bring up the other guy to try & make c=usa look good. Here's a clue, its not working well for c=usa. Try promoting c=usa without bringing up Hyperion/a-eon/os4 & their h/w & you should see a more friendly attitude from us os4 fanboys. Varisy is doing a fantastic job of putting the x1000 board through it paces, no quick testing, & their taking their time to catch any problems, well worth the wait.

Double dat. My commitment comes from their bad blood and attitude, not the product I&I will critise for it flaws. Bad and Rudie style dem demonstrate since day one.

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@number6

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However, it's also a fact that they contacted Aminet, which is a s/w resource, in order to learn more about Amiga. That's a somewhat odd first contact if one is not interested in the operating system that runs said software. *shrug*

Todd Kleperis knew little to nothing about Amiga or the community when he approached Amiga Inc. I expect that Bill McEwan reeled off the old nonsense about 10,000 developers plus a few other embellishments and pointed Kleperis in the direction of Aminet.

@Rob

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Todd Kleperis knew little to nothing about Amiga or the community when he approached Amiga Inc. I expect that Bill McEwan reeled off the old nonsense about 10,000 developers plus a few other embellishments and pointed Kleperis in the direction of Aminet.

Wow. And he was given no advice to not mention that Itec was doing the licensing and not Amiga Inc.? Somehow I would have advised him to avoid saying that and sending up yet another red flag.

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However, it's also a fact that they contacted Aminet, which is a s/w resource, in order to learn more about Amiga. That's a somewhat odd first contact if one is not interested in the operating system that runs said software. *shrug*

Just to make it perfectly clear: When Mr. Kleperis approached us, it was obvious that all he knows about Aminet is that it's about software, somehow. We didn't offer any further explanations and he didn't ask for any.

Me personal impression is that he was just trying to get a bit of a hype going, by contacting some alleged key people who had been pointed out to him and ask for their "very valuable input".

Sounds like Amiga Inc.'s original business plan ("included with the brand you'll get a free marketing squad - as long you pretend you care about them"), I wouldn't be surprised if whoever is handling the licensing now is using the very same idea to sell licences.

@cgutjahr

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Sounds like Amiga Inc.'s original business plan ("included with the brand you'll get a free marketing squad - as long you pretend you care about them")

I agree. The fact that no one in the community has reported further contact also supports that. If there was genuine interest and they felt it was worth pursuing, I think we would have seen it by now.

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@vox

Have you heard of "Keeping up with the Joneses". Why uneducated non-techno geek would buy a 1 GHz single core computer when they can by a dual core (cores = processors in a single chip package = brains in the same skull) Ok... people are consumers and they consume for the bang for buck at the time they are shopping.

People don't want to tweak out the computer. They assume it is set up properly. It is like the automobiles. Sure, I can get a 4 banger to move a car fast and responsive with lighter weight (smaller code) body and frame and so on. Sure, we can do that but in end of the day, the average consumer is looking for best value within a budget range (how much they can afford).

You say x86 can only be another Windows.

Sorry... your wrong. There is Linux, MacOS X (running on x86 now), it can be Unix, Minix, AROS, etc. It can even be a Java based OS, an OS on Z-Machine, etc.

x86 is just a processor. Windows only has market because it has a brand recognition and an established brand name. Linux doesn't have a well established brand name bringing Linux to mainstream consumers. Commodore has a brand name that is of legendary status like Apple and Atari, IBM and Microsoft.

Linux got a repuation of being complicated and difficult to install for a typical computer illiterate computer user. That is the majority of people anyway. So is Mach. MacOS X is a re-badged Mach operating system (another Unix-like OS) but with a user friendly interface and easy installation. Commodore OS can be the same thing but with Linux kernal. Back it with Commodore's brand and it can get a market share.

Getting rid of Microsoft? ( Is this what you are assuming or wishing would happen? ) No. Even if somehow Windows is knocked off the market, Microsoft will still be around. They have smart people and they would then focus on their apps and games and have them on Commodore OS or MacOS or whatever the big contenders maybe.

In the end, it will be down to being able to use the data on your Commodore pc, Mac, and Windows pc. Portability of the information with ease. We don't want to go back into that situation in the 80s where you can't take the information you worked on on your home computer to work. This is part of how Microsoft got dominance with IBM, Compaq and others in the "clone wars". This shook out various platforms.

We need to be able to have a non-Windows OS that is useful in a world where data on one OS can be read and used on another OS. Data portability and to a certain degree code portability with ease.

So, it is important to think about these things in a business standpoint in 2011 computing world not 1981.

The writing was on the wall in 1991.

@number6

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number6 wrote: @cgutjahr Quote: Sounds like Amiga Inc.'s original business plan ("included with the brand you'll get a free marketing squad - as long you pretend you care about them") I agree. The fact that no one in the community has reported further contact also supports that. If there was genuine interest and they felt it was worth pursuing, I think we would have seen it by now. #6

Sounded good when crowd was big. However AmigaINc licencee, CommodoreUSA now has even better plan "just state on the web site you care about them, while spam and bash them in reality unless they are your support squad. Have spammers on YT Amiga videos, Amiga forums etc. while you will close all your channels for comments, proposals and critique".

That is Amiga Inc v2.0

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@Wildstar128

MacOS X can run only on Apple machines, at least legaly. PPC version used to exist until recently, as well as apps. In fact, currently PPC apps are faster on PPC macs then PPC apps on emulation since Apple specs arent great.
Linux is equaly avail on PPC.

So, yes you are down to Windows (which was supposed to go PPC too)
and you intend to add it as extra price to keep the price look reasonable.

But how many American dummies will be happy with something that is not Windows since they can buy similar PC with Windows for same price?

Oh, yes, you are all about open source and alternative OSs I&I forgot dat.

You promise us cloacking device OS whose basic features remain a Lock Nes
myth, even its announced to be out in two months. It will be compatibile with everything Commodore and Amiga and Windows maybe on hardware level ("all Commodore machines are Windows compatibile") but we dont know how legaly,
whose emulator and files it will be using.

Plus the promise of case sold separately, with no set dates, as usual.
And no set dates for Amigas even they were announced first.

That is not way to do bussiness, take away my AmigaOS love.

Neither you are inventor, or a hero, or innovative - just corporate exploit.

And I&I can only hope people will see it through, or hype will be short lived,
and that you will die in endless see of x86 based products.

Not recommended to anyone.

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@vox
hey, why dont you drop your annoying "1&1" stuff (mistake intended). are you somehow sworn to that? the only effect it has, the regular reader (me) thinks you are taking yourself (and few other things) a little too serouusly..

@amigaheretic

All the FLUFF TALK and 60.0000's of units........I bet CUSA is Bill McEwen and "Barry" is his imaginary friend

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@wawa

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