@persia

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C=USA and Hyperion are on different paths, C=USA is trying to kill the Amiga and Commodore by making them just another PC brand, Hyperion is trying to kill the Amiga by make it run on obscure expensive hardware.

Different paths to the same destination?

@persia
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But if an Amiga is a PC or Linux box what's the point of Amiga enthusiasts?

That's what I keep asking myself, along with... that other question

@pavlor

do you considder the not yet made sony play stasion 4 and all the worlds smart phone and kiosk systems for obscure expensive hardware patch ???

the only thing worng with amigaone x1000 is the price and the fact that it would have been the killer back in 08/09 when the cpu was realesed. but ibm is still making new ppc and new ppc is on the way,i think it was aeon who linked to a new line off multi core cpu's that was ppc so the ? is how hard will it be to adabt to it.maby wee can put in a cpu card in the pci-e slot or maby a new board will come an pepole can put in the pa.semi in on a cpu card just for more power. but anyway. the power is in the pgu thease days iff you want gfx. the g3/4 is all ready fast anuf to run the os. alittle more power in the cpu and the rest in the gpu then i can se no limets
the x1000 is multicore and is more then fast anuf for doing your desktop and other things. just wait and see what will happen when new gfx drivers come and fully openGL..

@retro

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the only thing worng with amigaone x1000 is the price and the fact that it would have been the killer back in 08/09 when the cpu was realesed

make that 05/06.

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@retro

I want to buy X1000 (hopefuly before the end of this year). However, I know its weak points - it is overpriced (no problem in my point of view) and underpowered (still fast enough for all my needs) hardware.

SandyBridge based i5 CPUs are rougly 5 times (in sense Y=5*X) faster (in single core operations) than PA6T. Most powerful PowerPC CPU today is still 970MP 2500 MHz (from year 2005!!!!). PowerPC is dead not even on desktops, there is also no suitable SoC for sub-laptop devices (except really old 5121e).

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it would have been the killer back in 08/09 when the cpu was realesed.

PA6T was released in 2007. And I agree, it was superior CPU in its time (and it still offers realtively good performance per Watt).

@WolfToTheMoon

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make that 05/06.

Please, show me any 64 bit x86 dual-core CPU with 1500 SpecFp2000 single core performance and 14W TDP (power disparition of both cores of PA6T at 2000 MHz excluding rest of SoC) from 05/06.

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There's a fact here: Amiga is clearly dead as a mainstream computing platform - and definitely alive as a culture. Companies like Hyperion invest into keeping that culture alive from the SOFTWARE point of view

What culture ? Keeping the platform locked (both in terms of source code and in terms of hardware) isn't really helping to keep any "culture" alive...

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@Leo

>>What culture ? Keeping the platform locked (both in terms of source code and in terms of hardware) isn't really helping to keep any "culture" alive...


Apple seem to have done pretty well out of this philosophy...

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@TheDaddy

hahaha good one.

@TheDaddy

yes, Apple did. Hyperion didn't. Go figure

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@WolfToTheMoon

>>yes, Apple did. Hyperion didn't. Go figure

You guys crack me up...you either pretend not to understand the company size difference here (Hyp-Apple) or are just so blinded with this vague idea of something totally generic called an Amiga that will rule the world once again that you don't realise how ridiculous the whole thing is.

You have to sign your life away with Apple, they call the shots, they make the hardware, the lock you in a buy-upgrade-or die path.

Look at iTunes for example you can't even install it on their own machines unless you upgrade to the latest version of OSX, but there is a perfectly up to date version for an older x86 OS (WinXP), go figure.

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@TheDaddy

I'm past caring for Apple. Never used and will never use their products. It's a mentality thing, Apple was virtualy non-existent in the former Yugoslavia and we of that generation have very little of Apple culture and way of thinking. We grew up on Spectrums and C64s(and few 6502 yu-made clones), later switched to A500s, Ataris and IBM comp PCs.

But I like what they did design wise with their machines. Design sells. Cars, clothes, computers... I wouldnt buy it, but I do like some aspects of it.

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@WolfToTheMoon

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Design sells. Cars, clothes, computers...

Not only design sells... SAM computers are underpowered, overpriced and sold in generic cases... however, their sales were good enough that there is now third generation of these machines.

Quite successful business considering resources available.

@pavlor

Another good point.

But more importantly:

What is that counts? How many computers you sell or what they are and represent?

I personally don't measure success by number of sales, when they say that a product has sold thousands and thousands of units and has made its manufacturer millions it doesn't necessarily make me think it's brilliant I have to have it as well.

Likewise, a successful businessman is not necessarily a good person, people tend to measure people by the amount of cash they have accumulated which is pretty depressing and shallow in my opinion.

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@WolfToTheMoon

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@TheDaddy yes, Apple did. Hyperion didn't. Go figure

Apple have money, Hyperion don't.

@Rob

Well, to be honest, how much did they invested in PR, they lived more
than expected.

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@Rob

hmm...saw a post by you elsewhere about C=USA and their linux distro.
Since their C=OS goes into beta testing next month and they indicate shipping of some products before that, my understanding is that they are still shipping with Windows at first.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong about this.

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@number6

I think they may be shipping with Ubuntu 10.10, but I haven't followed this for about three weeks, so things could have changed.

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@bison

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I think they may be shipping with Ubuntu 10.10, but I haven't followed this for about three weeks, so things could have changed.

I'm likely further behind than you. I'm still thinking of what was stated in April.

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bison wrote: I think they may be shipping with Ubuntu 10.10

so they definitely aim at retro ;)

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