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BrianK 
Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 17-Aug-2012 20:03:17
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@Lou

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Again, you don't see the forest from the trees. You continue to only look at the sun while ignoring ZPF.
no Lou its because you are unable to understand defined principles. A zero-point is defined as a state which no further energy can be extracted. You are telling us the universe is extracting energy from an unextractable state. If you can't get energy out any longer you are at the ZPF. Since you can't get energy out you are unable to use that energy to create Radiative Pressure. And if you are getting energy out you are therefore, definition ally, not extracting it from the ZPF.

There may be some background radiation here. If its usable it's not in a Zero-point state. And being the sun is 99.85% of the matter in our solar system it's radiative pressure is grater, locally within the solar system, than that external energy.

To update the comparison with "ZPF" you wish to throw in the sum of radiative pressure is still less than gravity, in our solar system. There may be some other local star system that's somehow different. But we need evidence that your CRAP run solar system exists.

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 19-Aug-2012 21:32:23
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Attention physics noobs,

Don't burden your finders with replies to me. You've displayed so many noobish things, that I am retiring from directly educating you.

Since the only thing you actually take as truth is what the main-stream science media pretents to you, I will only post articles from the main-stream media as they slowly come around to acknowledging that GEM is all there is.

For instance, did you know magnetism is responisble for heating solar wind? Of course not, you are physics noobs after all...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120817084024.htm

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 20-Aug-2012 0:43:05
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@Lou

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Since the only thing you actually take as truth is what the main-stream science media pretents to you, I will only post articles from the main-stream media as they slowly come around to acknowledging that GEM is all there is.

How is this any different? You've spent a few hundred pages focusing on Cherry Picking your evidence. Perhaps what you mean is you'll no longer make lame excuses and step up to admit you simply refuse to be open to any other evidence than GEM as TOE.

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 20-Aug-2012 20:24:19
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@Lou

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For instance, did you know magnetism is responisble for heating solar wind?
To be perfectly honest, I hadn't given it a moments thought, but since you have raised the hypothesis, I will take a quick look.

There was a gap in our understanding of the temperature of the solar wind that is adaquately explained by this hypothesis.
The mathematical model contained in this hypothesis appears consistent with obsevable phenomena covered by the hypothesis.
This hypothesis has made a series of predictions that make a prima facie case for its acceptance, and certainly warrant further investigation

This in stark contrast with the GEM fantasy that you keep posting to Remenber this?
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Stop being deliberately ignorant.
GEM is not a theory, in fact it barely even qualifies as a hypothesis.
There is no gap in our understanding of gravity that is explained by the invention of GEM.
There is no functional mathematical basis for the ideas expounded by GEM that explain any observable interactions of bodies in the universe
GEM makes no predictions with any level of accuracy to match any field of scientific inquiry.

Add to this the fact that, unlike your GEM fantasy, I couldn't find a fatal flaw in this in less than five minutes, which means that, unlike GEM, it is quite possibly true.

EDIT
I will also specify that magnetic heating contributes toward the sum total of the temperature of the solar wind, as opposed to your implication that it is the sole source of any warmth coming from the Sun. There is a difference.

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 21-Aug-2012 22:38:37
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@ physics noobs,

http://phys.org/news/2012-08-gamma-rays-galactic-center-evidence.html

Dark matter is thought to come from WIMPS.
Light has intertia.
Light has energy.
Mass = energy.
Light has mass which is what leads to pressure.

Gamma Radiation is Light, just not *visible* light.

GEM says gravity is from radiation pressure.
Scientists find "signs" of dark matter when they see gamma radiation, the highest energy form of electromagnetic radiation, hence highest mass...*thought to come from decaying nuclie*.

Now this article only focused on the galactic center. Super and hyper novas are a source of gamma radiation. Perhaps the Voyager crafts will report back that there is alot of gamma radiation in free space. Looks like empty space might not be so empty...noobs.

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 22-Aug-2012 11:23:38
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@Lou

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Mass = energy
No it doesn't. As a matter of fact the evidence against your claim here is very strong. We have a few nuclear bombs and nuclear power generators. It's much clearer in operation that the inclusion of speed of light squared, as Einstein said, is closer to the actual value than what you claim.

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Scientists find "signs" of dark matter when they see gamma radiation, the highest energy form of electromagnetic radiation, hence highest mass...*thought to come from decaying nuclie
You've spent many a post attempting to chuck out the Dark Matter postulate. So, now you've changed your mind and embrace Dark Matter as real. It's really hard to put down your toast when you butter both sides.

(EDIT: Thought I'd add this quote from you from Aug 16th. "only later to be smacked across the face with the 'dark' broom(theory) to clean up the mess that happens on galactic scales." -- Here we see you slagging off Dark Matter. What convinced you to embrace Dark Matter postulates it in under 1 weeks time?)

While I see how the Dark Matter postulate works well, we still do need that ever dependant item to determine reality - evidence! I'm open to this postulate, as well as the others. Clearly the evidence isn't available for us to know if 'Dark Matter' is real OR if the effects are one of several other postulates which functions out there to cover the same sorts of problems.

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Looks like empty space might not be so empty
Science has known this for quite a while. But, thanks for catching up.

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 22-Aug-2012 15:53:57
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@Nimrod

First indirection observation of Cosmic Dark Matter . Gravitational Lensing was observed in this area of space. The gravitational lensing, when applied through Einstein's Gravitational Lensing formals, results in a density of space much higher than that of the standard background. And in alignment with the Dark Matter postulates.

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 22-Aug-2012 16:24:31
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@Lou

I know you were interested in Arizona UFOs. It happened again! Arizona Strange Lights reported by hundreds of callers and hundreds of Facebook postings. Turns out..
"MCAS Yuma’s Capt. Staci Reidinger says the lights were part of a Harrier jet training mission. "

UFOS did exist. But, since they're not identified we can't label them UFOs any longer.

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 22-Aug-2012 17:41:11
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@Lou

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Light has intertia
This is true, but the detail that you keep missing is the matter of scale.
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Light has energy.
This is also true, but the detail that you keep missing is the matter of scale.
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Mass = energy.
This is not quite correct, Einsteins famous equatioin is just a little bit more involved than E=M. You have to take into account the rest of the formula. C^2 has to be added to the equation. What this then means is that a huge amount of energy equates to a tiny bit of mass.
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Light has mass which is what leads to pressure
Yes indeed, but the pressure is in microPascals, not MegaPascals. The detail that you keep missing is the matter of scale.
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Gamma Radiation is Light, just not *visible* light
I know, but the E used to calculate energy is the total energy, not just the visible bit, so we have already accounted all of the light energy. You don't get to count it twice.
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GEM says gravity is from radiation pressure.
But it fails to explain how it procures Tonnes of gravity from microPascals of pressure. The detail that you (and Richard Cranium, who devised this GEM fantasy) keep missing is the matter of scale.
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Perhaps the Voyager crafts will report back that there is a lot of gamma radiation
When Voyager leaves the solar system it will be because it has passed the point of equilibrium, at which the outward pressure of Solar radiation is matched by the background energy levels of interstellar space. If the energy levels of the interstellar medium were higher then the solar "bubble" would be smaller, and Voyager would already be in interstellar space.

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 22-Aug-2012 20:31:49
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@ physics noobs,

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120821094450.htm

Yes, solar flares are caused by and can be reproduced with, you guessed it, magnetism & plasma! That's right, not 'gravity' and plasma.

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 23-Aug-2012 16:02:55
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@Nimrod

The universe is smooth LINK

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 23-Aug-2012 17:54:04
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@Lou

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Yes, solar flares are caused by and can be reproduced with, you guessed it, magnetism & plasma! That's right, not 'gravity' and plasma.
Let me explain this yet again in nice simple terms that even you are capable of understanding.

We know that EM exists
We have never attempted to deny the existence of EM.
We are fully aware that hot ionised gas is susceptible to EM influences.

We also know the levels of EM energy available

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Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 23-Aug-2012 21:08:00
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@Lou

For a quick recap of response on EM pushing hyrdogen particles in plasma.

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BrianK 
Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 24-Aug-2012 15:46:16
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@Lou

Negative Frequency of Photons Very interesting.

You should be asking yourself why is this better than other EM stuff you've provided? The answer is "A team of researchers has shown that, in some sense, negative frequencies can be observed through the generation of radiation with a positive frequency" - this is the sort of work that Haramein and his ilk have failed at accomplishing. Science doesn't accept Haramein on the faith that you have. They require the same thing of Haramein that is required of this group. You should be familiar with this reminder by now - it's evidence.

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Lou 
Re: Anybody remember Nibiru?
Posted on 24-Aug-2012 17:25:47
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@physics noobs,

http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/08/the-dark-side-of-light-negative-frequency-photons/

As posted by a physics noob who doesn't understand it all...

As mentioned in the article LIGHT pushes/knocks around electrons, you know , because they have inertia(much to the chagrin of another physics noob) and can create a pressure if the photon stream is continous...

What many a physics noob forgets is that, everything vibrates, hence everything has a frequency. Everything is a wave despite the simpletons who like doing particle math in order to make things simpler. When you simplify things down to particles, dimensions and directions are lost.

So I will speak of particles for the sake of physics noobs...

This article describes a high energy photon hitting an electron and pushing it to a point where it will no longer move. Now at this point, because we've said the electron will no longer move a lower frequency photon is supposed to be emitted from the electron in a particular direction (hey, it's a particle, right?). So...what happend to the rest the energy since the electron is not being knocked out of its orbit? Well, suprise, a photon went in the other direction (described as negative frequency) (same wave).

So let's recap...
High energy light hits an electron.
If the electron does not absorb the photon and changes orbit then something must happen to the energy.
Some of it is passed thru at a lower frequency...
Some of it is reflected back at a lower frequency...

Not much different than playing pool and hitting a cue ball into 2 balls that touch, Its possible to leave one ball in its place while the two at the ends fly off...

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Posted on 24-Aug-2012 18:14:09
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@The mathematically inept
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So let's recap...
High energy light hits an electron.
If the electron does not absorb the photon and changes orbit then something must happen to the energy.
Some of it is passed thru at a lower frequency...
Some of it is reflected back at a lower frequency...

And in the view of the mathematically inept the electron hits a planet which shoots off at a multiple of the speed of light because nothing beats radiation pressure.

For the benefit of the inept, Einsteins mass/energy equivalence is E=MC2 not M=EC2.
Radiation pressure from a source diminishes in proportion to the distance squared.
Gravity is pulling the Earth towards the Sun, not pushing it away.
At sunrise or sunset, I am not pushed along the ground by the force of radiation pressure, mainly because a couple of microPascals is less significant than the 101kPa of normal air pressure.
The universe is not ruled by EM, it is ruled by mathematics.


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Posted on 24-Aug-2012 20:25:14
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@Lou

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Everything is a wave despite the simpletons who like doing particle math in order to make things simpler.
At present there's no unified agreed upon view.

Yes there is a wave only view as you contend. There's also a particle-wave view. Where it's thought there's no analogus single structured item at the macroscale exactly comparitive so we need to use two distinct ones to get it close for our undrestanding. There's also a neither-a-particle-nor-a-wave view. Since it's impossible to obtain a normalized view of this item. And/or it may be something weirder which we've yet to comprehend or may be impossible for us to comprehend.

Again you are being closed minded to the options when the options are not sufficently evidence to make a formal conclusion. Kinda a Lou recurring theme.

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@Lou

Great pendant as a quick info graphic on how this works. You can't skip steps in the journey.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/symbiartic/2012/08/23/surly-amy-and-the-charms-of-reason/

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@Lou
Richard Branson commits UFO Hoax. http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/af_database/permalink/ufo_lands_near_london/
Result - police run away from a midget in disguise.

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@ the nimrod who continues to make the dumbest statements in the universe

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The universe is not ruled by EM, it is ruled by mathematics.

The universe is not ruled by mathematics. Mathematics is used to interpret or approximate observation in order to attempt to predict other events.

You also continue creating logical follies when using a formula for rest mass and comparing that to the mass-energy equivalence of a particle in motion.

Stop claiming to be a math rocket scientist when its apparent you don't know your mass from your elbow. You just continue to insult yourself everytime but other physics noobs do not notice the error of your ways.

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