@MikeB

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Question to yourself: Can EM play a role in the development of vortex winds?

Saturn has an atmosphere. It has a magnetic field slightly weaker than that of the Earth. It has weather storms.
Venus has an an atmosphere. It has a very feeble induced magnetic field. It has weather storms.
Earth has an atmosphere. It has a strong geodynamo. It has weather storms.
Jupiter has an atmosphere. It has a strong geodynamo. It has weather storms.

The only consistency here is that planets with atmospheres have stormy weather. Even the thin atmosphere of Mars supports weather systems. Yes, EM forces exist.
Yes, EM forces have influences. No, EM forces are not the be all and end all of all existence.

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Some food for thought: - "NASA reported in November 2006 that the Cassini spacecraft observed a 'hurricane-like' storm locked to the south pole of Saturn that had a clearly defined eyewall." - "In 2007, very large vortices on both poles of Venus were observed by the Venus Express mission of the European Space Agency to have a dipole eye structure." - "Observations of the Earth’s magnetic field suggest that there are anticyclonic polar vortices in the core (Olson and Aurnou, 1999; Hulot et al., 2002)." - "Numerical dynamo models have been successful in explaining the origin of the Earth's magnetic field and its secular variation by convection in the electrically conducting fluid outer core. An important component of the convection in the numerical dynamos are polar vortices beneath the core–mantle boundary in each hemisphere." - "The Great Red Spot (GRS) is a persistent anticyclonic storm, 22° south of Jupiter's equator, which has lasted for at least 181 years and possibly longer than 346 years." Connect the dots. Question to yourself: Can EM play a role in the development of vortex winds?

A plasma ball can help you understand how the earth's core in reality functions to some extend. A plasma ball is mostly useful for this as it makes visible something which is otherwise invisible because of the release of photons:



The magnetic field is different at the poles, but imagine you holding two hands at each side of a large plasma globe. Imagine what is see would be equivalent of the polar vortices in the earth's outer core talked about above. (this a a pretty constant phenomena, but reality with regard to the poles of earth are the opposite). Important is to realize there are ozone holes at the poles.

Now hold a finger on the globe and you will see a concentrated lightning-like effect. And if you leave the lamp on for a while at these spots ozone is being produced.

Also in the eye of large storms researchers have found elevated levels of ozone compared to its surroundings.

Now connect the dots!

(Also modern science does not fully understand the development of lightning bolts and its relation to cosmic EM fields).

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@Nimrod

All our solar system's planets have atmospheres including Mercury (albeit thin, witht he atmosphere being blown away by the strong solar winds so close to the sun) and Pluto (which I fully qualitfy as being a planet!).

With regard to Nibiru, according to some its mass equals about 4 Jupiter masses.

"above about 500 M⊕ (1.6 Jupiter masses)[25] the interior would become so much more compressed under the increased gravitation force that the planet's volume would decrease despite the increasing amount of matter. As a result, Jupiter is thought to have about as large a diameter as a planet of its composition and evolutionary history can achieve."

Hence the scale depicted by the Summerians corresponds with a large mass Jupiter-like planet / low mass brown dwarf star.

Nancy Lieder predicted Java would be sinking, here a recent video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1_Hp5bkdlY

Recent reports from Indonesia:

Central Java:
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/no-end-in-sight-for-merapis-mud/442876

South-West Java:
http://us.en.vivanews.com/news/read/219569-indonesia-flash-flood--10-dead-and-3-missing

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: With regard to Nibiru, according to some its mass equals about 4 Jupiter masses. "above about 500 M⊕ (1.6 Jupiter masses)[25] the interior would become so much more compressed under the increased gravitation force that the planet's volume would decrease despite the increasing amount of matter. As a result, Jupiter is thought to have about as large a diameter as a planet of its composition and evolutionary history can achieve." Hence the scale depicted by the Summerians corresponds with a large mass Jupiter-like planet / low mass brown dwarf star.

Jupiter is not so dense, hence looks so big. So yes, something could have 4x the mass and be about 1/2 the diameter anding to the lensing effect caused my EM. It would act like a comet and produce a tail as it approaches the sun.

I think something still that large would do more lensing then has been observed. Elenin and Honda sound more like the twins from the Hopi prophecy.

@MikeB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1_Hp5bkdlY
Timecode 2:52 to 2:57
"Children there have been standing in water in their schoolrooms for months"

And I thought the kids round here were thick!

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@Astrophysics

Despite the overwhelming evidence that gravity does an epic fail when the 'constants' for this system are no longer relevant in another, prepare to be disbelieved.

Welcome. It's funny what alot of what you say on your site is what I've been saying.
Perhaps if you list these guys your credentials...

@MikeB

The voices in Nancy LIEder's head are not scientific evidence.

At best, they are her own paranoid delusions. At worst, she actually doesn't hear voices, instead merely making claims to extract money from gullible fools.

I am still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she's just insane, though.


Regarding her latest hallucination about the sinking of Java, I can only ask if you know the difference between a seasonal river flood and geological subsidence. Ever heard of a thing called 'rain'? I would also challenge the voices in Nancy's head to propose a geological mechanism with which to sink the Ontong-Java plateau. And of course, is there any evidence to show the plateau is actually sinking? Any altimeter readings? Anything from the satellites? Anything at all?

No. You've just got Nancy's word. But for you, it seems that the word of one True Believer is worth more than all the empirical evidence in the world. I find it impossible to understand why this is.


And again, can you respond to the geological evidence raised proving the non-existence of Nibiru in post 172?

And if not, why not? Could you possibly be wrong?

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@Astrophysics

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... in the universe that is 99.999% plasma...

99.999% plasma, eh? Could it possibly be that you've invented this 'plasma' because your EM equations are 99.999% off when used to describe the Universe?

You've invented this 'plasma' to give you an excuse to multiply your answer to bring it up to the right order of magnitude.

Your task is simple, though. Detect that plasma and prove it actually exists. If you can't, its nothing more than another 'Dark Matter' style hypothesis, only you have presented no mathematical model to back up your inference.


And Lou - why is invisible, undetectable 'plasma' OK, while Dark Matter is somehow not? Double standards much?

@T-J

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T-J wrote: @Astrophysics Quote: ... in the universe that is 99.999% plasma... 99.999% plasma, eh? Could it possibly be that you've invented this 'plasma' because your EM equations are 99.999% off when used to describe the Universe? You've invented this 'plasma' to give you an excuse to multiply your answer to bring it up to the right order of magnitude. Your task is simple, though. Detect that plasma and prove it actually exists. If you can't, its nothing more than another 'Dark Matter' style hypothesis, only you have presented no mathematical model to back up your inference. And Lou - why is invisible, undetectable 'plasma' OK, while Dark Matter is somehow not? Double standards much?

...and T-J does an epic fail...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)
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Plasmas are by far the most common phase of matter in the universe, both by mass and by volume.[5] All the stars are made of plasma, and even the space between the stars is filled with a plasma, albeit a very sparse one. In our solar system, the planet Jupiter accounts for most of the non-plasma, only about 0.1% of the mass and 10−15% of the volume within the orbit of Pluto. Very small grains within a gaseous plasma will also pick up a net negative charge, so that they in turn may act like a very heavy negative ion component of the plasma (see dusty plasmas).

@Lou

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only about 0.1% of the mass and 10−15% of the volume within the orbit of Pluto.

Mass of the Sun = 1.9889 x 10^30 kg
Mass of Jupiter = 1.90 x 10^27 kg
Jupiter = 0.09% of solar mass, The other planets plus rounding errors means that jupiter is approximately 0.1% of the mass of the volume within the orbit of Pluto.

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albeit a very sparse one

Please, just for once read the articles that you are quoting from.

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@Nimrod

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Nimrod wrote: @Lou Quote: only about 0.1% of the mass and 10−15% of the volume within the orbit of Pluto. Mass of the Sun = 1.9889 x 10^30 kg Mass of Jupiter = 1.90 x 10^27 kg Jupiter = 0.09% of solar mass, The other planets plus rounding errors means that jupiter is approximately 0.1% of the mass of the volume within the orbit of Pluto. Quote: albeit a very sparse one Please, just for once read the articles that you are quoting from.

So becaue THIS system is only 99.90% plasma then the rest of the galaxy and/or universe as a whole is disqualified from being 99.999..%?
/facepalm

The dark matter is certainly piling up...

@Lou

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So becaue THIS system is only 99.90% plasma then the rest of the galaxy and/or universe as a whole is disqualified from being 99.999..%?

The vast majority of the matter in this system is contained within the photosphere of the sun. What actual mathematical, or observational evidence, if any do you have to presuppose that this system is in any way unique. (Apart, that is from the fact that it once contained the great demi-god, and failed Sci-fi scribbler, Zecharia Sitchin)

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@Nimrod

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Nimrod wrote: @Lou Quote: So becaue THIS system is only 99.90% plasma then the rest of the galaxy and/or universe as a whole is disqualified from being 99.999..%? The vast majority of the matter in this system is contained within the photosphere of the sun. What actual mathematical, or observational evidence, if any do you have to presuppose that this system is in any way unique. (Apart, that is from the fact that it once contained the great demi-god, and failed Sci-fi scribbler, Zecharia Sitchin)

probably the fact that it's different enough to contain advanced life forms...although after reading your last couple of posts I'm beginning to question that...

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probably the fact that it's different enough to contain advanced life forms...although after reading your last couple of posts I'm beginning to question that...

Your persistent habit of resorting to personal insult when you lack a logical response to rational debate is the reason that I have entered an abuse report.

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Elenin and Honda sound more like the twins from the Hopi prophecy.

Although the idian tribes transmitted its prohecies verbally which may have caused distortions, at least this way the christians couldn't easily wipe it out like they did to the Mayans (which was their main concern) without killing everyone.

http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html

Some interesting quotes:

"That time is not far off. It will come when the Saquasohuh (Blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask. He represents a blue star, far off and yet invisible, which will make its appearance soon."

Kachina is Sirius, a star just below the constellation Orion.

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"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder. "This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies." "This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes -- the coming of the white men's cattle." "This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron." "This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web." "This is the Sixth sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun." "This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it." "This is the Eight Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom. "And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease. "These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying.

Some similarities between Hopi and Sumerian?
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopicreation.html

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The Hopi also talks about 3 days of darkness and "Phoenix Bird would raise its wings and fly.",

And from the above link: "He believes that the axis of the Earth itself will change, also.....shift....and that will cause a lot of Earth changes, itself, also"

@Nimrod

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Nimrod wrote: @Lou [quote]Your persistent habit of resorting to personal insult when you lack a logical response to rational debate is the reason that I have entered an abuse report.

Perhaps you need a new hobby?

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