@Lou

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Well, first of all, I have argued many times that the megalithic structures of ancient times could not have been built by mearly sticks, string and sweat.

You have indeed made this assertion before, however others have shown evidence that contradicts your claims.

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Advanced alien technology from the past would have probably beamed microwave radiation

. Quite, and Noddy would have probably run for mayor of Toytown. There is what you would accept as evidence for this because yes, there are books for sale

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Of course there are more interesting things like the manna machine

which is located where? You do have a working example to prove your assertion don't you, or is this just words in a row?

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Every desert shows signs of nuclear explosions

Not every desert, just a few like White sands, Woomera, Nevada etc. You may find this hard to believe, but there are other deserts that have not been used recently as nuclear test sites.

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Eye witnesses are good enough for a court of law but not good enough for a court of BrianK

If eyewitness evidence is so good, why do we need recorded CCTV, fingerprints, DNA, and all of the other stuff that you can see in any episode of CSI. Can you identify the two suspicious looking characters in this picture? Look again, then check here. The vast majority of what we "see" is merely assumptions based on perception, and can easily be deceived

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The facts? Unless you have a time machine and can take me there, your facts are speculation.

All the things that you claim could only have been done by high tech aliens have been recorded by low tech mediaeval accountants, as being done by low tech mediaeval craftsmen, who drew low tech mediaeval wages. With evidence, who needs to speculate?

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@BrianK

Looks like another "End of the world" has come and gone, and I slept right through it.

Unless of course, nothing happened.

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@Nimrod

Yes we've missed another doomsday prediction. Now someday I think one will be right. I'd prefer they have some actual evidence instead of trusting a book then making excuses and moving goal posts.

As for the difficulties in human sight. It would appear we're made to recognize patterns. Pareidolia is that event of seeing a pattern and getting it wrong. Afterall there was a scary face on Mars built by aliens. Once better cameras and different angles of this item was taken it was very clear it was simply another hill.

@Nimrod

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Nimrod wrote: @Lou Quote: Well, first of all, I have argued many times that the megalithic structures of ancient times could not have been built by mearly sticks, string and sweat. You have indeed made this assertion before, however others have shown evidence that contradicts your claims.

No, more assertions because they have blind faith in a process that involves random chance.
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Some of the earliest history of the Pyramid comes from a Greek traveller named Herodotus of Halicanassus. He visited Egypt around 450 BC and included a description of the Great Pyramid in a history book he wrote. Herodotus was told by his Egyptian guides that it took twenty-years for a force of 100,000 oppressed slaves to build the pyramid. Stones were lifted into position by the use of immense machines. ... Most archaeologists, though, accept the theory that the great pyramid was just the largest of a tradition of tombs used for the Pharaohs of Egypt. So what happened to Khufu's mummy and treasure? Nobody knows. Extensive explorations have found no other chambers or passageways.

Hmmm...a theory without evidence of mummies or treasure...who would have thunk it that pudnits would accept such things... Yet people closer in time to its construction say immense machines were used to lay the large stones... So instead of believing documentation, pudnits choose to believe invented theories.

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Quote: Of course there are more interesting things like the manna machine which is located where? You do have a working example to prove your assertion don't you, or is this just words in a row?

If you would have searched deeper you'd see it was reconstructed based on descriptions and shock/horror, it made manna...

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Quote: Eye witnesses are good enough for a court of law but not good enough for a court of BrianK If eyewitness evidence is so good, why do we need recorded CCTV, fingerprints, DNA, and all of the other stuff that you can see in any episode of CSI. Can you identify the two suspicious looking characters in this picture? Look again, then check here. The vast majority of what we "see" is merely assumptions based on perception, and can easily be deceived

When there is a lack of eye witnisses those other things are what's needed...

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Quote: The facts? Unless you have a time machine and can take me there, your facts are speculation. All the things that you claim could only have been done by high tech aliens have been recorded by low tech mediaeval accountants, as being done by low tech mediaeval craftsmen, who drew low tech mediaeval wages. With evidence, who needs to speculate?

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Pudnits accept theory as fact despite a lack of evidence. Point your finger elsewhere. My views are more in line with accepting the word of the people who were there at the time.

@Lou

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No, more assertions because they have blind faith in a process that involves random chance.

The fact that you're too stubborn to even attempt to understand the science doesn't make it false.

I mean, honestly, your concept of probability is so badly skewed that you actually think a casino runs on blind chance!

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Hmmm...a theory without evidence of mummies or treasure...who would have thunk it that pudnits would accept such things... Yet people closer in time to its construction say immense machines were used to lay the large stones... So instead of believing documentation, pudnits choose to believe invented theories.

Quotes, please. And original sources so that reputable scholars can check your 'translation'. And of course, you've still not escaped from the eyewitness accounts of those tombs being opened for the first time since they were sealed, and containing mummies and treasure, but no microwave power plants whatsoever.

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If you would have searched deeper you'd see it was reconstructed based on descriptions and shock/horror, it made manna...

Show us, then. If all this is so well-proven, it should be no problem at all to simply link us to a website containing specifications and diagrams, and a vast body of media coverage showing the thing working. I mean, conclusive proof of a biblical story, I'm sure that'd make a splash? No? Never mind then.

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When there is a lack of eye witnisses those other things are what's needed...

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Evidence like that is absolutely essential because eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. Going back to the courtroom analogy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_identification

And you want to base the entire scientific system on that?

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Pudnits accept theory as fact despite a lack of evidence. Point your finger elsewhere. My views are more in line with accepting the word of the people who were there at the time.

But Lou, you've been shown reams of evidence. There is no lack of it disproving you. The finger remains pointed at you, because your views are grounded in conjecture based on fraudulent claims made by pathological liars and paranoid schizophrenics.

Unfortunately for you, even if your fraudulently translated sources were correct, it doesn't get you out - how can our eyewitness testimony of archaeologists in excavation be invalid, while your eyewitness evidence from a corrupt priesthood dedicated to the preservation of its own power is unquestionable?

No justice system works like that, how can you expect science or archaeology to?

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@Lou

Thanks for the 'Manna Machine'. I'd forgotten about this one. Though been doing a lot of reading lately and this conjecture is unconvincing to say the least. Some of the funniest reads were stating the Manna Machine and the Holy Grail were the same device. There are such huge leaps of conjecture to be made that Jesus' juice cup was really an alien algae food making machine that this one is easily discarded as an unevidenced contrived idea.

@Lou

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Quote: You have indeed made this assertion before, however others have shown evidence that contradicts your claims. No, more assertions because they have blind faith in a process that involves random chance.

You really have no idea what is meant by the terms "random chance" or "balance of probabilities" do you? Let me give you a clue based on your recent weekend in Vegas. Although on any single spin of the wheel, the ball can land on any of the numbers with an equal regularity, the balance of probabilities allows the house to afford to have all of the fancy lightshows, "free" lunches, world class entertainers etc. All entirely honestly and within the rules of the game.

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If you would have searched deeper you'd see it was reconstructed based on descriptions and shock/horror, it made manna...

So why don't your self styled "experts" build another, and send it here. Is it that you want these people to starve to death? Or is it just that the "technology" to feed the starving millions is nothing more than a fantasy product of an addled mind?

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Pudnits accept theory as fact despite a lack of evidence. Point your finger elsewhere. My views are more in line with accepting the word of the people who were there at the time.

For a start the word is Pundit As regards your "accepting the word of the people who were there at the time" do you honestly believe that there were no accountants and bureaucrats on the construction sites of the pyramids? I will accept that double entry bookkeeping is not quite as entertaining as Aristophanes, Homer, or Rowling, but you can be certain that bureaucrats will not invent anything other than an extra few workers whose pay is then drawn by the bureaucrat. Creative accountancy is every bit as dull as the honest variety. (Assuming of course that there is such a mythical beast as an honest accountant)

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@Lou,

Newtonian gravity still not as good as Einsteinian gravity. Which we know isn't perfect either. LINK It'd be really cool to see some EM formula that replicates gravity that could be put to a test.

@MikeB

Hey mate, I'm back like I promised! And I'm alive. It's already 30th Sept and we're all alive. Isn't it a miracle? Isn't it?!

You guys crack me up! Next you'll tell me it wasn't the driver that killed Kennedy! ...

@Lou

Of course it wasn't the driver, that's just what They want you to think. It was the Space Aliens!

@T-J

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T-J wrote: @Lou Of course it wasn't the driver, that's just what They want you to think. It was the Space Aliens!

See now I can't believe anything you guys say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz4KUT9Rgl8

I first heard about that in '90 after reading this transcript from the same guy who predicted 9/11 ...and I got it from a BBS...yes before the internet!!!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_cooper13.htm

Kinda makes you question your version of reality, doesn't it?

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If you send your kids to college to learn physics you're wasting your money because they're teaching them stuff that doesn't work, it's not true, it's not real. Gravity is not what we think it is. There is a Unified Theory! We already know what it is; it's what makes these craft work. It's absolutely incredible what's going on.

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@Lou

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You guys crack me up! Next you'll tell me it wasn't the driver that killed Kennedy! ..

The truth is out there. Seriously though, it wasn't a driver, it was a sand wedge.

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@Nimrod

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Nimrod wrote: @Lou Quote: You guys crack me up! Next you'll tell me it wasn't the driver that killed Kennedy! .. The truth is out there. Seriously though, it wasn't a driver, it was a sand wedge.

I gave you the truth.

@Lou

Again, if the American government was worried that these cranks you keep digging up were spilling the highly classified beans, do you not think they might not have ended up in the same place Private Manning has found himself?

If they were really blowing the lid off secret drugs smuggling by the government, secret Mars bases and secret plots to destroy the United States Constitution, do you not think they'd be sharing a deep ocean trench with Mr bin Laden by now?

You're telling me to question my version of reality, but you've made absolutely no effort to confirm your version as remotely credible. You continue to refuse to subject your opinions to even the most simple of empirical tests.

There is absolutely no reason for us to believe you.

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If you send your kids to college to learn physics you're wasting your money because they're teaching them stuff that doesn't work, it's not true, it's not real. Gravity is not what we think it is. There is a Unified Theory! We already know what it is; it's what makes these craft work. It's absolutely incredible what's going on.

But my computer is working right now on the principles of electronic engineering taught in physics classes. I got home on a bus that obeys the principles of mechanics as taught in physics classes around the world. In April, I flew to Cyprus and back on a plane that was built on the principles of physics describing aerodynamics. And it didn't fall out of the sky! Nor did it work by pointing a giant magnet at the ground!

It does work! Lo and behold, for physics has enabled engineering that works.

Where's your machines that work on the principle of 'its all magnets'?

Oh, that's right - there aren't any, because your theory is wrong.

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@Lou

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Quote: The truth is out there. Seriously though, it wasn't a driver, it was a sand wedge. I gave you the truth.

The Truth? Are you really trying to tell me that you think that the other people in the car wouldnt notice if the driver grabbed a gun, turned round and shot the rear seat passenger. The only way that this delusion could be real would be if everybody within 100 yards of the car was a co-conspirator. Listers solution was more probable, as well as being entertaining.

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@Lou

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I first heard about that in '90 after reading this transcript from the same guy who predicted 9/11 ...and I got it from a BBS...yes before the internet!!!

It saddens me that your response shows no signs of learning. You can't go from claim to conclusion. You need to test and evidence the claim to ascertain validity and truthfulness. Again we see you still hoping luck will get you by.

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Kinda makes you question your version of reality, doesn't it?

Again science continues to always question reality and be skeptical of claims. So there's no motivation here that wasn't always innate.

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If you send your kids to college to learn physics you're wasting your money because they're teaching them stuff that doesn't work, it's not true, it's not real

This one is so easily evidenced from the alarm that wakes you up in the morning to the TV you turn off before bed. Your daily life is physics that work that college kids learned. The problem here is you take the obvious for granted.

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Are you guys really that blind that in the last few frames you didn't see the driver turn around and shoot him? Why do you think Jackie-O started climbing out the back? To get away from him.

The grassy knoll shot only got him in the throat. Oliver Stone showed you all he was shot from the front not back.

Ok, go back to being spoon-fed. /quit

@Lou

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Oliver Stone showed you all he was shot from the front not back.

So once again your so called "evidence" is a comment made by a purveyor of fiction

These couple of frames of 16mm cine film raise two "possibilities"
1) The driver turns his head to see what is going on behind him, then, following shouted instructions drives off in a hurry.
2) The driver draws, turns, shoots accurately, then conceals his weapon and drives off. In front of hundreds of witnesses, and in less than a third of a second. (5 frames at 18 frames per second)

I have again done what I wasn't supposed to. i.e. look at the evidence supplied from youtube videos posted by a wide variety of conspiracy theorists, and apply a little thought. It helps pass a few idle minutes.

Zapruder film
Frame 308: Sunlight reflecting from front seat passengers greased hair starts to straighten
Frame 310: First frame in which the reflections from the head and doorframe can be interpreted as resembling a straight arm and a gun.
Frame 311: You can still make out the "gun" but you can also see the drivers left hand on the lower part of the steering wheel.
Frame 314: You can still make out the "gun" but the "arm" is quite clearly the door frame. JFK's head is at the point of mid explosion, and LBJ is now President.
Frame 315: The "gun" is no longer visible.
Frame 340: The grieving widow, clearly in a state of shock starts to leave the back seat. Note the 3 people in the background. Had the driver done what you claim, they would be the first of many co-conspirators.

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Ok, go back to being spoon-fed. /quit

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Quote: I would never delve that deeply into something someone posted on the internet. That, sir, is why you routinely believe Clearly Ridiculous Alternative Proposals

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Read the cover? Or follow the evidence?
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